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BMW M3 vs. BMW 335i
Let me introduce myself, as this is my first article for AutoSpies.

I'm Motor2, and I'm Motor1's cousin. When it comes to cars, I'm the sort of guy that continues to buy the exact same model I bought originally each time they make a new one.

My wife got an X5 4.4i in 2003. We loved it. So last year, we bought an X5 3.0sd.

I bought an M3 Convertible also in 2003. I loved it. So earlier this year, I bought the new convertible. Except this time, it isn't an M3. It was a 335i.

Fuel prices are through the roof. And if I continued the way I was going, I'd probably be stuck with some wimpy 320d diesel sedan.

So I compared the M3 Converitble (2008) with the 335i Convertible (2008).

On the 335i, I had optioned for the automatic gearbox plus the M Sports Pack, and also the removal of the vehicle number. Everyone who drove or walked past my car assumed it as an M3. But it wasn't.

Okay, obviously the M3 is much more fast (nearly a whole second). But the 335 isn't slow. it reaches 100km/h from 0 in 5.6 seconds, good for a hard-top convertible. Yet it consumes 3 litres less than the M3. 3 litres! It still can reach the same speeds as the M3, and is over 75 kW less powerful than the M3. But there is only a 1 second difference between the two!

Now obviously if you were a dedicated BMW M3 fan, you wouldn't do what I did and decide to get the 335i that looks like an M3. But if you don't really care about loosing under a second in a 0-100 leap, why bother with the M3 Convertible? The same could probably speak for the M3 Coupe against the 335i Coupe.

So, if you are considering buying an M3, stop. Think about whether you need to be that 0.8 seconds faster. Think about whether you would like to trade that in for better efficiency which in the end means you have more in your pocket. And you'll have more in your pocket from all the money you've saved.

Because I did, and the 335i with the M Package and no 335i badge is physically the same as the M3 from the above average car enthusiast's eye. And .8 seconds doesn't matter when I saved enough to buy a home theatre system and a 60 inch flat screen TV.

So, what do you think? Is it worth spending the bucket load of money buying the M3, then the bucket load of money for it's fuel. Or is it worth saving heaps on efficiency and the cheaper price to buy the 335i, and just get rid of the 335i badge and get the M Pack?

BMW M3 vs. BMW 335i



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motor1motor1 - 7/18/2008 1:16:33 AM
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Yep I'd get the 335i. I wonder why Mercedes-AMG and BMW M don't start making diesel models, like the M3d or the S65 CDI AMG

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Agent63Agent63 - 7/18/2008 1:38:34 AMView My AgentSpace
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That's a big jump, M3D "OR" the S64 CDI. Maybe you meant C63 CDI AMG. Anyways, for those who want that V8 power then the M3 is the choice. For those who want a fast coupe that handles very well but doesn't need the M3 adrenaline rush the 335i will still satisfy your needs.


WimmerWimmer - 7/18/2008 7:33:00 AM
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Mercedes has the CLK320 CDI in Europe which is the closest to a 335d competitior. But whereas the 335d is sportier the CLK320 CDI is still more of a cruiser placing emphasis on decent handling and top comfort. I've driven it too. It's fast, refined and comfortable - the perfect cruising machine. No match for a 335d but it wasn't designed to be a "sports car" in that sense.


Agent63Agent63 - 7/18/2008 1:46:27 AMView My AgentSpace
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BTW,

I've got 5.0 with a 335i. I've seen 4.9 as well.


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BmwVoyagerBmwVoyager - 7/18/2008 2:17:15 AM
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lol 100000000th "m3 vs 335I" articles ive seen on the interwebz lulz -___-

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StickShiftCamryStickShiftCamry - 7/18/2008 2:50:38 AM
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Alotta ppl have 335's - 2 ppl i know who have it have nooo clue about how much capability their car has. U get a new M3 for sound and exclusiv...

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henbmwhenbmw - 7/21/2008 11:50:04 AM
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You clearly have never driven an M3. M3's differ from their more mundane cousins in more ways than just 0-60 times. That's what is so ignorant about this article. Your not paying a chunk of change for a 'faster 335i,' you are paying for a overhauled beast with a masterpiece in its engine bay. Go test drive the two side by side and you will see that the M3 is far more than a tuned 335i.


IS3andMEIS3andME - 7/18/2008 3:47:42 AM
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Who gets the new M3 as a convertible and who get the M3 with a sunroof? Badge whores that's who. Who would write another M3 vs. 335i article? You guys answer that one. How about a E46 M3 vs. the 135i, now that sounds more interesting...

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motor1motor1 - 7/18/2008 7:06:10 AM
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Are you some wanker or something, calling people who cant afford an M3 and buy a 335. You probably drive some pissy japanese car


goochgooch - 7/18/2008 7:44:49 AM
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I get the M3 with a sunroof. Your comment is totally wankerfied. An M3 convertible -- okay, sure, but a mere sunroof means hardly anything. The only people who could tell a difference between an M3 with a sunroof and without are named Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen, Massa ...
get the drift? Go somewhere and play.
The M3 is a different animal than the 335i. The 335i is fast, no doubt, but the M3 is all about tactility.



motor1motor1 - 7/18/2008 9:20:29 AM
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^^^^^COMMENT ABOVE^^^^^
You're talking to this IS3andme guy, right?



AutoSuppliesAutoSupplies - 7/18/2008 4:50:44 AM
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You base your decision solely on the fact that the M3 is 1 second faster than the 335. But that is 1 second out of shaven off 5-6 seconds. That is around a 20% reduction in time. And how do you rationalize getting a 335 over an M3 solely on 1 second? In the same way you should have factored in a 7 second car for another 10K less! There are so many factors and emotions that lead people to buy M3s. Quit trying to make yourself feel better by stating this 1 second and less gas rationalization. And I bet you feel terrible when you get complemented for your M3 despite it being a 335. Is this the reason for your de-badging?

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PrancingHorsePrancingHorse - 7/18/2008 5:37:01 AM
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Honestly what are you guys smoking because i own a 08 M3 DCT coupe and i have personally done 0-60 in 4.4 (after the 1200 mile breakin) and the M3s handling and dynamics is a whole differnt ballgame than a 335.Try taking the 335 to a track and you will see why the M3 costs so much more.I have friend who has 335 and side by side the vehicles look like a gym rat and a geek.Most 335 owners should just pony up the extra $$$s because deep down they really want the M3.And as far a gas if i can afford a $80,000 car $5.00 gas is not going affect me.

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motor1motor1 - 7/18/2008 7:42:49 AM
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Yeah but he is comparing the 335i vs. M3 convertible models!

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HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 7/18/2008 8:26:02 AM
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Let's leave the real car comparison articles to the professionals at Autoweek, Car & Driver, Automobile, etc.

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mpwrmpwr - 7/18/2008 8:38:01 AM
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mpwrmpwr - 7/18/2008 8:51:36 AM
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Badge or no badge, those who care can see the lack of lump under the hood/bonnet, so

Badges we dont need no stinking Badges

sorry but I had to



cycocyco - 7/18/2008 8:49:07 AM
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The 335i is without a doubt a very competent sporting machine, it comes close to doing what the M3 does in a number of categories.. but at the end of the day, don't try to fool yourself - it's no M3 substitute.

It sounds like the author just convinced himself that the performance difference between the two is just a 0-60 split of .8 seconds in order to buy the 335i. If the M3 is too expensive and guzzles too much gas, then there it is. It's out of your price range. It happens, it's no big deal, just leave it at that.


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HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 7/18/2008 9:21:25 AM
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I wish I could deboost this entire article.


holmstarholmstar - 7/18/2008 9:55:18 AMView My AgentSpace
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what's wrong with saving money if you personally don't feel the need to have the performance of an m3? If you don't need/want that kind of performance, then buying the m3 is a waste, regardless of how wealthy you are.

Just my 2c.


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holmstarholmstar - 7/18/2008 9:59:25 AMView My AgentSpace
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trying to trick people into thinking your car is an m3 when it isn't is über-lame though.

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KZ258KZ258 - 7/18/2008 10:03:18 AM
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why didnt you get the manual?

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HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 7/18/2008 10:15:20 AM
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Getting this car with the automatic pretty much screams "poser" in my book. Man up and get the stick.

Nothing is more poser than removing the badges and trying to trick people into thinking it's an M3.



07mcs07mcs - 7/21/2008 2:28:23 PM
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the M3 has bonnet scoops and also side vents, plus the exhaust is quad tip as opposed to dual tip.


E92_M_PowerE92_M_Power - 7/18/2008 10:06:35 AM
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No doubt, 335i is the best in its class, and with pro-code can give M3 a run, but its still not the M.



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t_bonet_bone - 7/18/2008 10:29:23 AM
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I'm with you for everything except the de-badging. That's just way too self-conscious.

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IS3andMEIS3andME - 7/18/2008 10:32:19 AM
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Sad, really, I'm a wanker, really, as I was talking to two people who own E46 M3's and one getting a white E90 M3, and they both said, that there is no need for a sunroof M3, just leave it at having the carbonfiber roof. The Sunroof M3 is heavier, but and they agree, BMW must cater to the non-enthusiasts who "just want an M3" for the cache-that is one of the reasons why there is the sunroof version and of course the folding hardtop version. Yes, BMW has made converts before, but who really buys the converts, being that they are heavier. Just like 911 converts, who do you see driving them. Or people who drive Mustang V6 converts, same type of people, but they can afford the M3 and 911.

Do you see the logic, do you see the truth? So before many of you start calling names, read use some logic. And Motor1, please use a complete sentence "calling people who can't afford an m3 and by a 335." Calling who, calling what? I never said anything of that nature.

Apparently, you took offense, because maybe you can't afford it, I dunno, because you can't convey a point. As I said, a E46 M3 vs. 135i comparison would be more like it, because the the 135i is faster and more agile than the 335i, which when it came out, the numbers were comparable to the E46 M3. So it would only be far to compare what some have called the M2.5 to the real deal, or even to the E90 M3.


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lenkunlenkun - 7/18/2008 11:08:50 AM
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So what you're saying applies to people who buy the following convertibles vs. the hardtop?

Bugatti Veyron Convertable
Mercedes-Benz SLR Convertable/Speedster
Enzo/F430 Scudera Convertable
Lamborghini Convertable
911 Turbo S, GT-2, GT-3 RS Convertibles
Lotus Elise Convertibles
Honda S2000

They are all great handling and performance vehicles for the road and for the track.
And how do you explain when Detroit and Nissan release convertable versions of their supercar?
1. Corvette ZR1 Convertable
2. GT-R V-Spec Convertable
3. Dodge Viper Convertable



bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 7/18/2008 12:23:35 PM
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well for one the elise isnt a "convertible"
im not supporting anyone but the fact your comment was boosted saids alot about posters here......one its "convertible" and 2nd alot of the fcars you listed arent convertibles but targas, where the missing roof "section" isnt going to add weight...at all....not to mention some of the cars you listed arent available as Coupes but Targa, or convertible only....not to mention you are comparing cars that havent been created yet...weird comment....and I promise you a fabric piece over the occupants isnt adding weight lol, like a rag top, or hard top convertible









NARunnerNARunner - 7/18/2008 4:03:51 PMView My AgentSpace
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lenkun - I'm not sure what a 911 Turbo S is, but I'm guessing that because THERE IS NO SUCH CAR, it's not available in a convertible. And I do know that the GT2 and GT3 AND GT3 RS models are NOT available in convertible form either. ALSO, how are the Veyron and the S2000 on the same list????

MAN, you are lame!!! You continue to surprise us all with your ridiculously foolish comments about cars that don't even exist on today's market!!!



lenkunlenkun - 7/18/2008 8:28:47 PM
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NARunner
I guess you really don't know too much about cars do you? I guess this is a good place for you to start learning. The Veyron and S2000 are on there because they are convertibles and they are used on tracks. The S2000 was built as a convertible from ground up and yet it's high performance. I am just trying to say that convertible could be better than hardtop on the track because of less weight and lower center of gravity. Why do you think the M3 use carbon fiber for the top? It's to reduce weight. So a M3 convertible will have a lower center of gravity than a M3 with a carbon top. Get it?

Porsche 911 Turbo S Cabriolet (Convertible)
http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/top-2005-Porsche-911-Turbo-S.htm

GT-3 RS Convertible
http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/cargraphic-gt3-rsc-38/big_CargraphicGT3RSC3.82_01.jpg
http://static.blogo.it/autoblog/cargraphic-gt3-rsc-38/big_CargraphicGT3RSC3.84_01.jpg

IS3andME:
And here is the ZR1 Convertible
http://www.maui.net/~toystore/car09.htm

And here is the Corvette Z06 Convertible
http://www.genaddi.com/Z06/

And remember, the $1/2 Million Porsche Carrera GT with the mid-engine V10 is also a convertibel!
bmwdrvr
Targa is just another word for convertible. Cabriolet, Roadster, Speedster, drop-top, Spyder, ragtop, T-top, and etc are all the same.

You see guys, I back up my words with facts! It's always fun to take some of the fellows here to school so they learn a lesson or two about cars.



Htay7500Htay7500 - 7/19/2008 8:03:13 AM
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lenkun: what you've posted is actually done by in-house tuners, not something that the automakers have made. oh and thats not a zr1. the c5 never came in a zr1 trim.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 7/19/2008 8:10:22 AM
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"It's always fun to take some of the fellows here to school so they learn a lesson or two about cars."

like you? you said you knew a lot about cars when you said that the BMW on fire was a 5 series when it was a 7.



motor1motor1 - 7/19/2008 9:41:21 PM
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I can't afford it? He can't afford it? I have a Mercedes S500, BMW X5 4.8i, BMW M6 and Lexus LS. I can't really afford it, can't I?

Motor2 has a BMW X5 4.8i and a 335i Convertible optioned out.

So don't tell us that we can't afford it.



NARunnerNARunner - 7/20/2008 10:48:12 AMView My AgentSpace
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lenkun, you are the biggest f**king moron i have ever seen.

Targa tops are NOT synonymous with spyders, convertibles, and drop tops you idiot. A targa top is a roof that is usually completely removed from the vehicle for a "semi-convertible" configuration. That's why the 911 Cabriolet and the 911 Targa ARE NOT THE SAME CAR douchebag.

I apologize for the Turbo S comment, I actually thought you were making a point about RELEVANT NEW MODELS, not a 3 year old used car. Same with the ZR1 comment, I didn't realize you were talking about the 10 year old 1988 ZR1.

That GT3 RS convertible is a terrible looking photoshop, again, THE CAR DOESN"T EXIST you stupid sh*t. See the "Cargraphic" sticker pasted on the side? You think that's standard from Porsche? Or an option?....idiot.

And as HTay said, that Z06 is an aftermarket convertible. Go into a chevy dealership and order up a Z06 convertible and watch them laugh.

And finally, the Carrera GT is a TARGA, NOT A CONVERTIBLE YOU GIANT F$%^&* MORON!! Go take a long walk off a short pier and let the grownups talk.





henbmwhenbmw - 7/21/2008 11:44:16 AM
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I've never seen 'convertible' spelled in so many ridiculous ways. Or an argument so ridiculously idiotic. Thanks Lenkun for these wonderful contributions.


IS3andMEIS3andME - 7/18/2008 11:27:37 AM
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All converts are typically heavier due to the weight gain from bracing the vehicle. And they have more chassis flex than a coupe, you do know that, right? But I'll play your game...

The Bug...well it is already a porker, but the Bug is very fast GT, 2 tons of fun so to speak, it's 'Ring times show it. But the people who spend their money on this probably already have some serious Artillery

The McMerc, well at the time it was conceived (The SLR convert-which is diff than the speedster) they didn't want to build it due to making the car too heavy because of the bracing.
Never seen a Enzo or F430 convert, again, the weight gain for that would f up the mission, wasn't the whole goal of the Scuderia to be light weight...

Lambos...again weight...one of the reason why they have AWD since the Diablo.
the 911 was covered, and it goes the same for the Turbos

The Lotus is a targa top, but many have fixed roofs-
the SC Exige versions

The S2000-there were some JDM's that have fixed roofs, I wonder why...

I doubt there will be a Convert verion of the ZR1, there isn't one of the Zo6, a track animal, even the C5 Zo6 didn't have one.

Why would they make a GT-R V-spec convert, when the whole purpose was to lose weight and gain HP, not make a heavier car heavier

The Dodge Viper 1st gen, 1st came out as a targa-roadster, the 2nd gen, was first released as a convert, which again was heavier than the coupe...


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HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 7/18/2008 11:32:37 AM
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You've never seen a Ferrari 430 Spider?


LexSucksLexSucks - 7/19/2008 9:33:03 PM
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"Never seen a Enzo or F430 convert, again, the weight gain for that would f up the mission, wasn't the whole goal of the Scuderia to be light weight..."

- Follow the link below. It includes a race between the F430 convertible and the F430 coupe. The performance is virtually identical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSdO5erhKfI




LexSucksLexSucks - 7/19/2008 9:34:01 PM
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I mean cut-and-paste into your browser :-) Its not a link


IS3andMEIS3andME - 7/18/2008 12:28:40 PM
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^^He said F430 Scuderia, not a F430 Spyder, there is a difference. Please read.
Even though I did say the F430, I should have said F430 Scuderia convert. I did go on and mention the Scuderia tha he mentioned.


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Htay7500Htay7500 - 7/18/2008 1:17:38 PM
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lol. you kill me again MT!!!!!

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audirevolutionaudirevolution - 7/18/2008 1:52:31 PM
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You're actually kind of funny.

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blowingassblowingass - 7/20/2008 9:22:13 PM
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And yet still your penis is no larger...

"I can't afford it? He can't afford it? I have a Mercedes S500, BMW X5 4.8i, BMW M6 and Lexus LS. I can't really afford it, can't I?

Motor2 has a BMW X5 4.8i and a 335i Convertible optioned out.

So don't tell us that we can't afford it."


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motor1motor1 - 7/21/2008 8:42:30 AM
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You are an absolute wanker, aren't you? Dicks like you should go and stalk fellow seedy men on myspace.


chinojkchinojk - 7/21/2008 9:23:05 AM
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autospies is a breeding ground for bmw owners

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chinojkchinojk - 7/21/2008 9:35:39 AM
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"Are you some wanker or something, calling people who cant afford an M3 and buy a 335. You probably drive some pissy japanese car"

Great...guess we can see some unbiased blogs from you in the future huh


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henbmwhenbmw - 7/21/2008 11:34:43 AM
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Convertibles are for women.

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supermotosupermoto - 7/21/2008 6:38:28 PM
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As a happy 335i owner, the new M3 is just not earth-shatteringly more appealing to me for some reason. I think my next car will be a Carrera S instead (yes I can afford it, thanks).

BTW, convertibles should only be driven by women and guys who play on the other team.



blowingassblowingass - 7/29/2008 5:48:37 PM
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Motor1and2, you and your tiny penises have to take it easy. I agree with most of what you guys had to say in your article; I was just poking fun at your obvious insecurities...

(And I quote : "I can't afford it? He can' afford it?")

Why else take off the 335 badging Wankers?


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