Car and Driver: A8 vs 750i vs LS460 vs S550 vs XJ8 Super V8

Ouch, way to go Audi, beaten only by a brand new car. Do you have some specs?

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 8:50:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Of course Lexus is in last place. Car and Driver is very biased on what kinds of cars they like. I bet the LS blew the doors off of all of the competition but they couldn't stand the thought of Lexus beating a Mercedes.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 8:50:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -9   

Well, Car and Driver is for the enthusiasts but they are in love with BMWs and Hondas.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 8:53:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

How did the older XJ beat the LS?
I'll have to read when I get it to find out....

— mstangpny07 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 9:03:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Lexus fans, where are you?

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 9:06:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

They said the S-Class interior was by far the best in terms of fit and finish and handled sporty too. The clear winner according to Car and Driver.

Here are the pages I scanned. Read the review.

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— Bill (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 9:20:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

I saw the most beautiful brand new BMW 7 Series in white today at the grocery store that I just stopped walking in the parking lot and stared at the car.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 9:50:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The Audi A8 is a brilliant car. In fact, Car and Driver places it ahead of the BMW 750i.

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:02:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Wow Car and Driver is just jealous of the Ls and how it can be a japanese maybach , who ever wrote that article must be biased to mb and audi even though im an audi fan the a8 would have been one of the first two

— awsomeaudi (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:13:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

I'm right here. Once I get my hands on the comparison, I'll give everyone the real review and show you why the LS lost. The criteria was probably which car didn't have self-parking.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:17:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

only reason the BMW would plae behind the vw, is becasue theri disdain for idrive.. when you own a bimmer and it is hardwired into your brain, the audi is no match from a driveability, luxury and sport perspective. The S.. I do agree.

— AmazingBimmer (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:21:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Congratulations to Mercedes-Benz and the magnificent S550.

Way to go fellas.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:24:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I think the S-Class deserves the win, but I am surprised that the Lexus LS placed so poorly. I was expecting it to beat the BMW and Jaguar and maybe finish 3rd.

Thanks for the scans, Bill!

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:43:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I'm surprised the Jaguar XJ placed ahead of the Lexus.

When you think of world's best luxury sedan in this category of price you think S-Class above all others
followed by Audi or BMW or Lexus depending on your preference and Jaguar gets left in the dust somewhere in 4th place.

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 10:47:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Jag will not ditch the J-gate now. Why the heck do they use that still anyway? It has been hated by almost every single media review I've seen.

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 11:01:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Not surprised the LS came last. All the reviews have been the same quiet and smooth, but boring and with wretched handling. All cars in that class will give you quiet and smooth, but most real drivers want more handling, character, a high salivation factor. Anybody who's read the last two or three issues of the 4 main US car magazines may have noticed some scary stats. The Q7 (a 5,000+ lb SUV) will blow it away in the Slalom 63mph vs. 60mph, skidpad 0.81 vs 0.80 and stop much quicker..127ft vs. 143ft from 60mph.

— TheGenius (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 11:04:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

THE LS460 CAME IN LAST?!?!??!? Those car and drive people are so stupid! motortrend wannabies! EL34 and S4cabriofoxone are right, the LS460 IS THE BEST CAR OUT THERE! I agree with them.

— blueice4589 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 11:10:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Heh..

Lexus last..how predictable. I am surprised though that they ranked the A8 over the 750. Not that it doesn't deserve to be there (It does!) But being the Bimmer loyalists that they are..

— delan (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 11:27:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

At first, I thought that a one-point loss (between the MB and Audi) doesn't account for C&D being "blown away". However, the Audi gained 5 points on rebates/price, so when comparing elements of the two cars, the margin of victory does widen a bit.

Way to go Mercedes. Almost got a perfect score for powertrain ratings.

— senorgato (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 11:39:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I think that the Lexus should have come in at least 4th place. There is no way a Jaguar is better than a Lexus.

I haven't seen the Lexus in person but I've seen the supercharged Jag. I don't think that Jaguar is better than any of the cars mentioned. Its not even close.

Ford needs to sell Jaguar.

Mercedes does probably deserve the first place, but C&D should mention that it is because of BMW that Meredes looks like that. I mean all they did is copy everything the 7-series has in the interior.

— MPower (View Profile)

Posted on 11/26/2006 11:54:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Too bad they didn't get the 2007 A8 with the 350 hp FSI. That one would have probably won.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 12:11:35 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

The LS 460 once again with the very poor braking, dangerous I would say. Trucks do better than that. Handling is the worst as well.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 12:15:14 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

BTW, flog the cars they did, look at the test mpg. That must be fun, unless you are in the Lexus of course.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 12:35:36 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Finally, about time we put an end to this whole S550 vs. LS460 argument. I wonder what HoustonCutie or Will have to say about this? and please, dont use bias of the magazine as an excuse. S550 won, car and driver generally puts test cars under alot of scrutiny and harsh test conditions. Now that there is some credibility to this, any talk about the LS460 being the better car than the S550 will be deemed rubbish.

— rom64 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 1:28:42 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Not Even. The only copying i notice is the shift knob on the steering wheel and the Command knob. There's a big difference between the two cars in interior design. And to others who mention the exterior. the s-class' trunklid did not copy the 7 series' 'bangle butt'. Its a derivative of the maybach's trunklid which was in production before the 7 series came out.

— rom64 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 2:05:49 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The only aspect where most of the car makers are guilty of in copying the 7-series is in the i-drive. Immitations with the COMMAND knob and the MMI knob owe credit to BMW with that revolutionary idea.

— rom64 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 2:08:44 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Amazing that no Lexus fans (Will, Houstoncrackwhore, etc.) have not posted yet.

C'mon, we want to hear your opinions!

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 3:52:46 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

What I'm really surprised about is the fact that the MB actually beat the BMW by 1 point in the combined Powertrain/Chassis/Fun to Drive categories. Usually that's where Bimmers have pulled away from Benzes, especially the chassis and fun to drive scoring.

— senorgato (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 5:15:47 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

OK.I'm a Lexus fan.Tell me what do u want to hear? BMW530i.

Where were u when Lexus LS460 Won so many awards and many magazines ranked it higher than the S class.
Namely,The last i remember is it winning CAR OF THE YEAR in JAPAN with S class touching nearly the bottom at 8th spot.

Both cars have their pros and cons.
Some magazines with different criteria rank LS460 highest and other S class.

BTW the A8 is nothing against the new LS460 in any department.It feels soooooo dated when compared to LS460 and S class.It can't stand a chance.
Tell me anything the A8 have over LS460.Styling is subjestive.

By using this logic,The LS460 should be placed above the A8 at the second spot.

This proves the Car and Driver were totally biassed.
And i totally agree with huu76,"The criteria was probably which car didn't have self-parking"

and which is not Japaneese.


JUGNU----->THE CARMAN

— JUGNU (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 5:41:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

BIAS!

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 8:41:41 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Throws in the crying towel for the LEXUS Fan Boys!




Phaetonmeister>>>>>>Da Fine Schmecker

— phaetonmeister (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 8:52:20 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Will, the Jag is not a decade old. It's a new aluminum XJ that was launched in 2003 as an 04 model. It has beaten the 7 series and Audi A8 in several car mags. All except one said the XJ was the most fun to drive because it was lighter and more easily tossed. The problem with the car is that the others have now moved up in power. That's why C & D picked the Super V8 model. The platform is not aging. Version 6 is used in the new XK. The XJ uses version 2.

— urbansouljah (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 10:17:19 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

If we did top of the line V12s and the Portfolio Edition XJ, I think that it would have been as follows:

1. Mercedes-Benz S600 for brute acceleration and the comfort, features, luxury feel

2. Audi A8L 6.0 W12 for its even better interior than the V8, smoother and faster acceleration

3. BMW 760Li for its dynamics, but lack of luxury interior that the BEnz and Audi have would have dropped it down to third

4. Jaguar XJ Portfolio for its lack of V12, therefore lack of true engine seperation between it and the XJR and a j-gate design and foundation that is aging.

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 9:42:39 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Will, I doubt the rankings would change because the S600 is the only significant difference in terms of performance compared to the V8. The V8 already won so the V12 would lilkely also win due to its much greater power increase.

— GermanNut (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 10:02:33 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Will, every review I'd read of the Lexus has been bad so far. The Lexus does make sense from a consumer point of view but it's lack of handling against the BMW, Audi and expecially the much lighter Jag kill any chance of i winning comparisons. All of the other cars in this test have been praised by car mags.

— urbansouljah (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 10:26:36 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The results of this latest Car and Driver comparison isn't that surprising. I generally like Car and Driver and read it often. But one thing has been obvious: Car and Driver is typically biased towards Lexus, in a negative way. I'm not sure of the reason why. Perhaps it's because Lexus used to not be performance oriented and had very derivative styling. Add 'numb' steering to the equation and it's guaranteed Lexus will be ranked last on Car and Driver's list.
But this new test is different. This is the FIRST time any Japanese car maker has offered a luxury sedan to compete with the Germans in the $80K price range. The new Lexus LS460 was specifically designed to outdo everyone in this segement. The specs tell it straight. It has more power, more technology, improved styling, and just plain more everything, including the eight speed automatic transmission. To improve the steering, a twin axis kingpin geometry like Audi's was developed. It all looks sensational on paper, so why the last place ranking? For one, Car and Driver doesn't like Lexus to begin with, which doesn't help. Second, the new Lexus is the first Japanese luxury sedan to seriously compete against the ESTABLISHED Germans in this segement.
Perception takes time to change. Lexus isn't selling well in Japan (as of now) because the perception in Japan is that Lexus are just rebadged Toyotas, which isn't true anymore. It will take time to change that. The new Lexus LS460 is more performance oriented, but it will also take time for Lexus to establish themselves in this new higher end luxury segement they have just entered, especially with Car and Driver.

— Dave (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 10:54:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Hey Will,

Remember the last Car and Driver comparo between these cars? The LS430 finished first and the MB S430 finished last. Car and Driver isn't as biased as you would think.

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 11:59:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

^ I was wondering if any one was going to mention that. Honestly, I don't think it's so bad to come in 5th in this comparison. Excluding super exotics and the likes of R.R. and Bentley, etc., it still puts the Lexus ahead of almost 98.5% of the vehicles made. That's not too shabby. It's like not winning an Oscar... doesn't mean you suck, it just wasn't your year.

— iown1 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 12:29:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Magazines are biased because people are biased. There is nothing wrong with that. You just need to realize that even automotive magazines come down to personal preferences.

I love Lexus, but I am glad to see the Jag doing well. The interior is nice with the lamb's wool rugs, and it is nice how they are truly rare comparitively speaking.

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 12:46:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Also, Benz, please offer that beautiful piano black wood trim on the S outside of the designo package!

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 12:47:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Well well German fans, nothing surprising is in this article. S550 is a bigger car but I'm glad they compared the LS against the short bed 750i which is good for this time. Other previouse comparisons also put the old LS last, but on the real market, who was the winner?

The LS460 fully loaded is $71k and not $80k, its the LS460L loaded $85k and that is STILL less than its compatitors. And again I'll say, the S550 is a sport edition that's why it has a sporty feeling. Spend some extra $20k on the LS460 and it will kick the S550's behind.

As far as the Jaguar, for God's sake that's a Ford! a cheap car and gave it a sporty feeling I'm really surprised to see Jaguar being compared against these cars.

In short, different magazines will have different tests and different winners, the only real test is the real world and that has always been for the Lexus. So lets give the LS460/460L a year in the market and lets have our eyes open on the roads and see real people which of those cars they prefered to own.

— Designer1 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 1:07:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Does the LS460 have weak brakes when compared to the other cars?

Also, I think the LS460 interior with it's plastic buttons put it in last place.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 1:17:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

"THE MOST INDULGENT LUXURY CAR IN THE SEGMENT".

You know I have to disagree and I find the LS 460 way behind the Jag when it comes to "INDULGENT LUXURY" and I put the Lexus in last place.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:07:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Seems like all you Toylex fans are ignoring what "theGenius" wrote.

"The Q7 (a 5,000+ lb SUV) will blow it away in the Slalom 63mph vs. 60mph, skidpad 0.81 vs 0.80 and stop much quicker.127ft vs. 143ft from 60mph. "

Nobody expects the LS to handle like a sports car, but to be beaten by a 5000lbs SUV is embarrassing to say the least.

The LS takes a full car length more to stop from 60mph and 2 car lengths from 80mph when compared to the S class. That is pathetic.
The LS brakes are a safety issue, which Toyota needs to fix quickly.
What's the point of having self park, which doesn't even work 90% of the time and reliability if you car can't stop?

— Ben55 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 2:14:58 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

S Class..Really the ultimate car..

— theman (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 2:38:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

hmmm funny how the title of the article is chauffeur showdown, then (as is typical of c and d) they bash the ls for PERFORMANCE. Last time i checked if you're enjoying the ls's superior rear seat luxuries while being chauffeured like this article suggests, you dont really care how fast your car can dart through the cones. if this article was true to it's title, and really did deal with the chauffuering aspect of enjoying an automobile, then the outcome would have been different. This is the PRESTIGE LUXURY segment. There is no SPORT in PRESTIGE LUXURY. just room, a big engine, elegant and comfortable cabin, and refined exterior.

by true LUXURY SALOON standards,

1) ls460l
2) audi a8l
3) mercedes s class
4) jaguar xj
5) bmw 750

if we wanted a sports car...

...we'd buy a porsche

— sexylexy460 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 6:22:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

To me, the dash in the LS 460 looks like that in the 2000 Honda Accord with more buttons, and it has that same quality.

Now take the dash in the S-Class with the beautiful flowing lines of the wood like the flame maple body of a Stradivarius violin.

What do you think of those apples, Hepsabah?

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 6:52:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Really, here are 2 photos of the cars and tell me otherwise after you have a look.

2000 Honda Accord dash.
http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtests/comparison/2000/family_car/honda/00.honda.accord.int.jpg

2006 Lexus LS 460 dash.
http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee93913/cmd.233/embedded..ee93918

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:17:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Here's the one thing you can put in the Lexus camp.

I was at the grocery store yesterday and I was reading the Consumer Report for Cars and in the Lexus section for the LS430 it was solid red dots and Mercedes had lots of red dots with clear dots and some half black dots as well.

What do you think of that?

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 7:49:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

??? Did you write that right? Here's a sample of the TL CR report, red dots mean good.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/models/bmw/3-series/model-overview-4652-5859.htm

About the review.

Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't multi-link more geared towards handling? Funny that the "driver's" car is the only one that uses struts.

Comments:
Jaguar's weren't very flattering.
BMW basically says the interior sucks, but it's fast. Perfect for being chauffeured around. :s
Audi gets a wuss engine, 2007 isn't much different unless you get the triple fourbanger. The rest sounds decent.
The Benz seems unbiased, although it sounded like they were describing a Lexus, not a Benz imo.

The Lexus seemed overall like the best limousine like car in a test of mini-limousines, yet was faulted for being too much of a limousine. It may not be #1 this time, but should've placed 2nd, at the very least 3rd.

I'll admit, not as biased as I thought, but still bias enough.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 8:41:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

No, they were describing a Lexus. MB lost the luxury title when they became complacent, hence Lexus is the benchmark now. It bodes well for MB chase Lexus, which will make both cars better.

I forgot to mention that they said the S had excess torque, probably due to it out displacing the others by atleast a litre.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 10:42:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Thats BS Jaguar could not have been better than the LS460!!!C&D has lost their credibility in my eyes!!!

— 2JZSoarer (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 10:57:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I was at an Italian deli today when I saw a brand new silver Mercedes S550 with the AMG bumper, but this car had different fenders with foot long vertical vents at a slight angle and vents for the exhaust similar to the LS 460.

Anyone know if this S-Class was an AMG?

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/27/2006 11:18:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Looking at the poor braking distance of the LS, that's probably why it was placed last. And Lexus claims this car is so safe eh?

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 11/28/2006 8:59:13 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

No, they have new data for the Lexus, braking is still pickup truck like. I am sure that the Lexus doesn't let you disable any stability control, so they obviously couldn't do it. They also put the price of equally optioned out cars so the comsumer would know the price for equall equipment levels.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 11/28/2006 2:53:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

rough and indecisive? all i have heard about it is smoothness and light. lexus is the indecisive one.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 11/28/2006 1:37:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Man, you Lexus clowns will come up with the most lame excuses. Seriously.

WHO CARES WHAT ORDER THEY FINISHED IN? The LS will most likely lead sales again in the US. WHO CARES? They're all good cars.

Jesus H. Christ...

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 11/28/2006 5:54:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Here is the real shocker. The LS in the test was a PRE PRODUCTION CAR, not even a real LS. The test was probably done months ago using a very early LS test mule. This is mentioned in the article but very briefly.

Wait until they compare a real LS, off the lot, and set up to the correct specs. VVVRRRROOOOOMMMMMM!!

— alpha1 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/28/2006 9:15:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Just read the article, the section on the LS. It plainly states that this is a pre production auto.

— alpha1 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/28/2006 10:15:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

The S class are so ugly, those wheel arches just spoil the car, and the butt is just copying the 7.

A8 not special looks like a A6 that looks like an A4, way to similar.

7 looks like it got it all under control, i like it but sure the next 7 will be much better looking.

Jaguar always elegant, British style nice looking.

LS big, better looks than the S Class. Probably deserved at better place against those competitors.

I have never driven one of them, and never will, they are way out of my reach.

— MPowerDK (View Profile)

Posted on 11/29/2006 9:01:48 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Car and Driver has a reputation for Lexus hating and it really shows up here

— cbro980 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/1/2006 6:57:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Car and Driver has a reputation for Lexus hating and it really shows up here. I put zero value on any review done with a bias - meaning C&D in general.

— cbro980 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/1/2006 6:58:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Agree with these results except that its a toss-up between the S and the A8. Mercedes S has the most comfortable front seats, the A8 has an ugly grille but comes with a rust-free aluminum body and the best AWD system (uses a Torsen center differential). The Jag is the prettiest but lacks the technical sophistication of the Audi. Lexus short changes its customers by offering a full-featured front seat for the driver only.

— EnnNorak (View Profile)

Posted on 12/1/2006 7:58:58 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

It looks like they gave some serious thought to this comparison ! ?
They put the least reliable, least affordable, least safe, least user friendal car first and the most reliable, most affordable, safest, most user friendly car last.

— orvillecox (View Profile)

Posted on 12/2/2006 4:59:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Lexus rules!!!!!
A five year old lexus is more reliable than a new bmw or mercedes. They never break down and are excellent cars they the ls 460 has better fuel Efficiency than the s550 and the worlds first 8 gear tranmission a guess they for got to compare that. It is much easier to use the controls on the lexus than the ompetitors and lexus is is priced at only 61000 that is a lot less then the mercedes.

— zairnaim (View Profile)

Posted on 12/2/2006 7:35:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

lexus has become the top-selling luxury flagship vehicle in the U.S. market for a reason. Innovations on the latest LS sedans included the world's first eight-speed automatic transmission, real-time traffic updates, automatic parallel/reverse parkingThe LS is recognized as having one of the quietest automobile cabins in the world and is regarded as one of the most reliable luxury vehicles ever built.

Over a period of five years, a team of over 3,900 engineers, technicians, and other F1 personnel built some 450 flagship prototypes. These vehicles were driven over a total of 4.3 million kilometers on testing locations ranging from the autobahn in Germany, deserts in Arizona, Australia, and Saudi Arabia, to U.S. highways and wilderness areas. To ensure quality, more precise manufacturing standards were developed to produce higher levels of fit and finish in the new sedan. Toyota's Tahara plant, a highly automated facility, was selected as the site of production. Materials selection tests examined multiple types of leather and scrutinized 24 different kinds of wood for use in the passenger cabin!!!!! Total costs for the project exceeded $1 billion.

— zairnaim (View Profile)

Posted on 12/2/2006 7:47:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

The LS has received numerous awards since its introduction.

The Lexus LS is one of the most honored vehicles in J.D. Power history.The Lexus LS has won the J.D. Power award for the "Best High-end Luxury Sedan" 12 years in a row, the most for any manufacturer, due to vehicle dependability.[41]
The Lexus LS was the highest-ranked vehicle in J.D. Power's Initial Quality Survey for seven consecutive years from 1997 to 2003. In 2004, the Lexus LS 430 was second only to the Lexus SC 430 in the Initial Quality Survey.[42]
In 2006, Consumer Reports awarded the Lexus LS as the highest ranked vehicle in reliability in the luxury car class, continuing the Lexus trend of scoring highly on Consumer Reports surveys. Based on Consumer Reports a five year old Lexus LS is more reliable and dependable than a brand new BMW 7-series, Mercedes S-class and Audi A8, owing to the wide disparity in reliability scores between the top-ranked LS and below-average German makes.[43]
The 2005 J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey found just 90 problems per 100 LS vehicles, the first time in the study's 16 year history for a vehicle to have less than one problem per vehicle. In 2006, the Lexus LS repeated this feat, averaging just 88 problems per 100 vehicles.[44]
The Lexus LS 430 was named the Most Appealing Premium Luxury Car by J.D. Power in 2001.[45] The second generation LS 400 was also named Most Appealing Premium Luxury Car in 1996.
In 1989, the Motoring Press Association of the U.S. named the LS 400 the Best Imported Car of the Year.
The first-generation LS earned a place on Car and Driver magazine's Ten Best list and became Wheels magazine's Car of the Year.
The LS 400 was named the Best Import Car of 1993 by Robb Report.
Automobile Magazine in 2005 listed the first Lexus LS 400 as one of the 24 Most Important Vehicles of the 20th Century, a title it bestowed on the vehicle in 1996.
The LS 430 was judged as the "Finest Luxury Sedan In America" by Automotive Marketing Consultants, Inc. in a 2002 comparison test. Competing against ten other luxury models, including the Mercedes S500 and the BMW 750iL, the LS placed first in three out of seven categories: NVH, ergonomics, and utility. The LS 430 was also the quietest car in the comparison, with an idle reading of just 31.1 dB in the front seat.[46]
Kiplinger's Personal Finance report named the Lexus LS 430 First in Class and Best in Safety for cars $40,000 and over in 2005.[47]
Intellichoice gave the Lexus LS its Best Overall Value award for the Luxury Class in 2004[48] and 2005.
AutoPacific and Intellichoice gave the LS 430 the Motorist's Choice Award in the Cars category in 2006.[49]
Kelley Blue Book gave the LS 430 its Best to Hold Value Award in 2001, 2002, and 2003.[50]
R. L. Polk & Co., automotive marketing research firm, gave the LS 430 its Polk Automotive Loyalty Award in the Prestige Luxury Car category in 2001, 2002, 2004, and 2005 for customer retention.[51]
Edmunds.com gave the LS

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Posted on 12/2/2006 7:49:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

The LS has received numerous awards since its introduction.

The Lexus LS is one of the most honored vehicles in J.D. Power history.The Lexus LS has won the J.D. Power award for the "Best High-end Luxury Sedan" 12 years in a row, the most for any manufacturer, due to vehicle dependability.[41]
The Lexus LS was the highest-ranked vehicle in J.D. Power's Initial Quality Survey for seven consecutive years from 1997 to 2003. In 2004, the Lexus LS 430 was second only to the Lexus SC 430 in the Initial Quality Survey.[42]
In 2006, Consumer Reports awarded the Lexus LS as the highest ranked vehicle in reliability in the luxury car class, continuing the Lexus trend of scoring highly on Consumer Reports surveys. Based on Consumer Reports a five year old Lexus LS is more reliable and dependable than a brand new BMW 7-series, Mercedes S-class and Audi A8, owing to the wide disparity in reliability scores between the top-ranked LS and below-average German makes.[43]
The 2005 J.D. Power Initial Quality Survey found just 90 problems per 100 LS vehicles, the first time in the study's 16 year history for a vehicle to have less than one problem per vehicle. In 2006, the Lexus LS repeated this feat, averaging just 88 problems per 100 vehicles.[44]
The Lexus LS 430 was named the Most Appealing Premium Luxury Car by J.D. Power in 2001.[45] The second generation LS 400 was also named Most Appealing Premium Luxury Car in 1996.
In 1989, the Motoring Press Association of the U.S. named the LS 400 the Best Imported Car of the Year.
The first-generation LS earned a place on Car and Driver magazine's Ten Best list and became Wheels magazine's Car of the Year.
The LS 400 was named the Best Import Car of 1993 by Robb Report.
Automobile Magazine in 2005 listed the first Lexus LS 400 as one of the 24 Most Important Vehicles of the 20th Century, a title it bestowed on the vehicle in 1996.
The LS 430 was judged as the "Finest Luxury Sedan In America" by Automotive Marketing Consultants, Inc. in a 2002 comparison test. Competing against ten other luxury models, including the Mercedes S500 and the BMW 750iL, the LS placed first in three out of seven categories: NVH, ergonomics, and utility. The LS 430 was also the quietest car in the comparison, with an idle reading of just 31.1 dB in the front seat.[46]
Kiplinger's Personal Finance report named the Lexus LS 430 First in Class and Best in Safety for cars $40,000 and over in 2005.[47]
Intellichoice gave the Lexus LS its Best Overall Value award for the Luxury Class in 2004[48] and 2005.
AutoPacific and Intellichoice gave the LS 430 the Motorist's Choice Award in the Cars category in 2006.[49]
Kelley Blue Book gave the LS 430 its Best to Hold Value Award in 2001, 2002, and 2003.[50]
R. L. Polk & Co., automotive marketing research firm, gave the LS 430 its Polk Automotive Loyalty Award in the Prestige Luxury Car category in 2001, 2002, 2004, and 2005 for customer retention.[51]
Edmunds.com gave the LS

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Edmunds.com gave the LS 430 its Most Wanted Car award in the Large Luxury Class in 2002.[52]
Popular Science gave the LS 430 a Design & Engineering award in 2001,[53] and named the LS 460 to its Best of What's New in Automotive Technology in December 2006.
Popular Mechanics gave the LS 460 its 2007 Automotive Excellence Award in the Luxury category.[54] The second generation LS 400 was honored with Popular Mechanics' Design and Engineering Award in 1995.
Automotive research firm TRG declared that the 2007 Lexus LS 460 offered the most technological features of any vehicle in the North American market, surpassing the newly launched Mercedes S-class and 2006 BMW 7-Series.[55]
The fourth-generation Lexus LS was named the 2006-2007 Car of the Year Japan, taking the prestigious top prize among 10 finalists in a competition juried by Japan's top automotive journalists.[56]

Bill Gates owned a 1990 LS 400 in burgundy and subsequently donated it to the Pacific Crest Outward Bound School in Portland, Oregon in 1995.
Ford CEO Alan Mulally was a proud owner of an LS 430, proclaiming it to be the "finest car in the world".[57]
In 2005, Samsung's corporate leadership purchased seven LS 430 sedans as a corporate privilege for its presidents.
Thai Billionaire and former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra owned a black Lexus LS 400.
Antony Leung, the former secretary of finance of Hong Kong, purchased an LS 430 just before implementing a new tax that would have cost him an additional HK $50,000. The scandal, known as "Lexusgate", led to his resignation.
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's gray 2001 LS 430 was carjacked in New Jersey in October 2006. The vehicle was later found abandoned and returned to the owner.
London Mayor Ken Livingstone drove a Lexus LS 430 before switching to a hybrid Lexus GS 450h due to London's emissions regulations.
Actor Mel Gibson was arrested for drunk driving in his LS 430 in 2006.
The third season of the popular BBC television program, Spooks, featured a number of Lexus LS vehicles as part of the brand's introduction in the British market.
Kasper Cole used a "confiscated" Lexus LS as his personal car when he was replacing King Tchalla as the Black Panther. The Wakandan embassy provides a black Lexus Limousine to the kings when he is in New York.
The final third generation JDM Toyota Celsior, succeeded in Japan by the Lexus LS 460.A Toyota Celsior is one of the cars driven in the racing arcade game and manga Wangan Midnight. The car, driven by Gen Sasaki (Gatchan), is often regarded as a joke due to the ricer features and Gatchan's reluctance to give his car more race features like removing excess weight and using garish bodykits.
The LS 400 is getting popular in vip style.
An air suspension controller can be used to raise or lower the LS 400. Air suspension was an optional feature.
Creative Technology CEO Sim Wong Hoo owned a LS 430 for three years and then put it up as the grand prize of a

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why do presidents drive mercedes and not lexus because they are the best in comfort safety and they probably look think it looks better. also it is the top selling full size luxury sedan in the world.

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