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First Lexus IS-F Comparison: Does it Stand Up to the Audi RS4?

chewy submitted on 10/29/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 2:56 AM
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First Lexus IS-F Comparison: Does it Stand Up to the Audi RS4?

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LexusKindaGuy12 - 10/29/2007 3:43:56 AM

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...so on the first test, they said they couldnt duplicate the 4.8 seconds but somehow they got it this second time? sounds to me like they didnt compare it side to side, but did it by memory...lol



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LexusKindaGuy12 - 10/29/2007 3:52:49 AM

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they really hated the IS...not a single good thing was said, except that it brakes better and has a better g-rating.

Star - 10/29/2007 8:28:00 AM

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What do you want them to do? Come up with something they like about Lexus? What's to like about that car? The horrific exterior, the cheap looking interior, the whine of that engine, the fake exhaust, the subpar performance, the lack of prestige? Come on, face it...Lexus means nothing in the car enthusiast world.

enthusiastx11 - 10/29/2007 10:15:27 AM

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nicad:

how is the IS-F faster? please provide the comparison data (same time, place, weather, drivers, altitude).

top speed is governor limited so the numbers you quote are pointless.

and interior, well, that's subjective. audi's is pretty amazing...clean and functional.

LexSucks - 10/29/2007 12:03:28 PM

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Nicad,

Nicest interior? LOL! I dont see any blanked out button panels on the other interiors. And where is the wood or aluminum trim? I'm sorry but the IS-F's interior looks like a Camry interior.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 4:45:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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"Not being able to duplicate" an acceleration time means they couldn't get anything FASTER than 4.8.

zorbeeze - 10/29/2007 6:15:33 PM

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"Come on, face it...Lexus means nothing in the car enthusiast world."

Ever heard of the Supra TT and it's cult following.
It has the greatest engine ever made. The thing can handle upwards of 700hp

TheSailor - 10/30/2007 1:13:19 PMView My AgentSpace

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The supra isn't a Lexus... The fans say that themselves... And no, 2JZ-GTE Or whatever they call it isn't the greatest engine ever! Far from it! At 700 hp, nothing but the block is left (if you want anything even remotely reliable)! 4 cylinder 2 liter BMW-engines were tuned to in excess of 1500 hp more than 20 years ago! It might have been in race cars, but the block still came from a box standard BMW! So BS! Toyota made a really strong engine, that is for sure, but that doesn't make it the best engine ever... Far from it!

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/29/2007 4:19:11 AM

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"Can Lexus Take Down the Germans Again?"

no.

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Auto_expert - 10/30/2007 3:48:28 PM

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Again? When did they ever?

MunichRob - 10/29/2007 5:08:52 AMView My AgentSpace

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Well there you have it ladies & gents, regardless of test numbers done by this publication or that publication, if they raced the two cars next to each other & the RS4 won, you can't argue with that by saying the IS-F is actually the faster car.

Now out of all fairness to the IS-F I'm not going to take this overall second place finish to seriously, the official verdict still isn't in. This is purely because I ignored the first test edmunds did with the M3, & because I don't take any-test that edmunds does seriously.

So in my eyes the battle isn’t officially won yet by anyone, which is a good thing because this is one of, if not the best showdown between automakers that I’ve personally experienced in my lifetime...Seriously think about it.

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stash84 - 10/29/2007 1:49:54 PM

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i can prob get a 4.8 in my 350. if lexus claims 4.6, how could they (edmunds) get a 4.8??? whos driving this car? usually lexus underrates the numbers (and the other car companies). lexus claims 4.6 and ive seen 4.2, now its 4.8??? lol..i smoke mustang gts and everyone ive ever raced in my 350 (0-60), except a cobra one afternoon..the numbers are so close from 0-60, lets see who pulls away when the cars are already rolling...why doesnt any1 ever argue about that???

zorbeeze - 10/29/2007 6:24:16 PM

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"i smoke mustang gts and everyone ive ever raced in my 350 (0-60)"
The mustang gt can do 4.8 so don't tell me your smoking them.

Tyronn - 11/4/2007 8:19:06 PM

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great comment.

Also worth watching this clip of the new M3 giving the Rs4 a toasting !

http://youtube.com/watch?v=axb19DwhqUk&feature=PlayList&p=8931AB9B4EE6FE98&index=3

Bill - 10/29/2007 8:23:32 AM

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The fact that you posted these ridiculous claims means you've lost your credibility.

Oh wait, you've lost that from day one that you posted here.

You're claiming that these journalists are pro-German and anti-Japanese? Grow up. They simply liked the Audi RS4 better. Big deal. There will be reviewers who will love the IS-F too. Stop this bullshit please.

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daytonaviolet - 10/29/2007 9:04:00 AM

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"as usual, somehow, when they test a Lexus side by side with a German, it can't even get the oficial factory 0-60 time (which is 4.6 for IS-F)."

Maybe because Lexus is exagerating their numbers!

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enthusiastx11 - 10/29/2007 10:17:14 AM

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nicad:
got any data to back up your opinions?


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S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 4:47:33 PMView My AgentSpace

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nicad, you are pathetic. I love it how when the IS-F doesn't win, you STILL call the publication biased. THERE IS NOT SOME HUGE CONSPIRACY AGAINST LEXUS. It just so happens that some cars are better than Lexuses! Yes, it's possible!

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Bill - 10/29/2007 8:19:18 AM

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Nicad, please shut it. Your anti-German bias is getting out of hand. You must be Jewish with all your German hating.

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JRobUSC - 10/29/2007 8:35:51 AM

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where in the following excerpt did you get "the Lexus isn't German so it lost"? Because what I read was "the Audi is better so it won". Anyone, feel free to chime in.

"The 2009 Lexus IS-F is the kind of car that really benefits from switching off the stability control, as it'll do some really wicked powerslides. And the IS-F handles really nicely and precisely. It's just too much for us, though. Too much to look at, too intricate to fully appreciate and too hard-core for the street.

The all-wheel-drive 2007 Audi RS4 just plain hauls ass. It doesn't rotate around an apex like a rear-driver. It's less the rapier than it is the broadsword. But it's devastatingly effective as a street machine, so it wins."



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S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 4:48:30 PMView My AgentSpace

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nicad, you are pathetic. I love it how when the IS-F doesn't win, you STILL call the publication biased. THERE IS NOT SOME HUGE CONSPIRACY AGAINST LEXUS. It just so happens that some cars are better than Lexuses! Yes, it's possible!


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FULEXUS - 10/29/2007 10:29:58 PM

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nicad:

At this point, it's pretty much anti-nicad bias.

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Star - 10/29/2007 8:23:56 AM

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This is just the beginning. Lexus IS-F will finish in the last place in every single comparison against the incredible German trio. Just as predicted, Lexus = LOSER.

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Star - 10/29/2007 11:13:16 AM

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That's all you could come up with? Ha, ha, ha...You are doing nothing more than embarrass yourself on this forums just like Lexus does when is bringing their s**ty cars to be compared with the German outstanding automotive engineering. It seems that Lexus engineers are just as delusional as Lexus fans if they thought they could compete with cars like Mercedes, BMW or Audi.

GermanNut - 10/29/2007 9:30:21 AM

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Yawn.....yet another win for the brilliant Audi RS4.

To date the Audi RS4 has officially defeated the new V8 BMW M3, the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG and the Lexus IS-F.

This car is king of its class for sure.

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Star - 10/29/2007 10:27:00 AM

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You seem to be a little confused...I thought is clear that RS4 lost against both M3 and C63. 4RS is superior to the IS-F but let's not go too far in claiming is better than C63 or M3 because is simply NOT.

Star - 10/29/2007 10:29:26 AM

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Just as always the order is:
1) BMW M3
2) Mercedes C63
3) Audi RS4
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57) Lexus IS-F

henbmw - 10/29/2007 11:44:30 AM

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nicad-

What is lower, the boost on your posts or your IQ?

enthusiastx11 - 10/29/2007 11:56:46 AM

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nicad:

factory times: pretty much useless because they're done at different times, altitudes, weather conditions, etc. no apples to apples. furthermore, bmw and mercedes are VERY conservative.

top speed: pointless as it has nothing to do with the car's capability, just an electronic governor. mercedes engineers have already stated that the C63 is capable of 200mph (not really surprising since it match a gallardo in 0-60).

let us know when you have ANY apples-to-apples data to back up ANY of your ridiculous commentary.

have a great day!

MunichRob - 10/29/2007 3:45:51 PMView My AgentSpace

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"GermanNut" other that yourself, who are you kidding!

S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 4:50:20 PMView My AgentSpace

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"furthermore, bmw and mercedes are VERY conservative."

enthusiast, I've said this before...

Mercedes is NOT conservative. Their times are usually spot-on. It's BMW and AUDI who are conservative. Feel free to revise your post.

farabira1 - 10/29/2007 9:58:52 AM

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Agree with GermanNut, the RS4 has been the best car in this class for the last couple of years now and even the new M3 could not unseat it. But i really have my doubts on Edmunds' assess of the ISF, because every single publication (offcourse except Edmunds); Motor Trend, Car & Driver, Winding Road, and Car connection so far have lavishly praised the ISF and even autospies claims that The ISF hype is legit and the car is brilliant to drive. The RS4 may be better by a small margin, but i think that Insideline is exaggarating their opinions a bit.

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Bill - 10/29/2007 1:48:49 PM

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Comments like this won't win you any friends here. All cars in this class are good in their own way. It all depends on buyer preference. For my needs, the RS4 or C63 AMG would do just fine but that's me.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 4:51:28 PMView My AgentSpace

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Yes, farabira, all the publications have praised the IS-F, because it's praise-worthy. HOWEVER, this is a COMPARISON TEST. Just because the IS-F is good, doesn't mean it will be better than the rest.

enthusiastx11 - 10/29/2007 10:11:13 AM

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good job audi. especially impressive since the RS4 is already several years old.

in the end, it was faster, handled better, had a better ride and, in my opinion and edmunds--it looks much better.

turns out the world is still in order.

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enthusiastx11 - 10/29/2007 10:13:05 AM

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good to finally see a proper comparison too...same time, weather, altitude, drivers, etc.


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alfistiDK - 10/29/2007 10:52:14 AM

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Haha that NICAD dude is hilarious. You really think the entire Automotive press is some conspiracy against Jap cars ? Lol..

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henbmw - 10/29/2007 11:33:54 AM

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"But no one of sound mind could love the stacked quad exhaust tips. This is at least partly because they are not actually exhaust tips. In fact, they are not connected to the exhaust system in any way."

Wow. I just lost a ton of respect for that car

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enthusiastx11 - 10/29/2007 11:59:43 AM

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i can't imagine a more poseur-like detail than FAKE exhausts on performance car. lol.

richardp996 - 10/29/2007 11:57:21 AM

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looks like Lexus dropped another turkey. I hope this is a lesson of don't make outlandish claims before the car is out. this car is a joke!

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LexSucks - 10/29/2007 12:09:40 PM

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IS-F Loses its first comparison test against a 4 year old car. Way to go lexus. So much for dominating the class. LOL!!

Hate to say this but; I told you so.

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ElSparquito - 10/29/2007 12:42:59 PM

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It's difficult to even look at the Lexus stats b/c I can't get over how goofy the car looks - save the BBS wheels. Even if it is to be considered a serious contender it does nothing to look the part. All 3 Germans look both menacing and tasteful - why can't Lexus copy that?

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M35MT - 10/29/2007 1:05:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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What I want to know is...if Car and Driver can get the IS-F to sixty in 4.2, and Edmunds got 4.8 twice, but 4.3 for the RS4 - does that mean that C&D can get the RS4 to sixty in the high 3 second range? Think about it...

I want to see C&D's comparison test. They always get the best test results. (Notice I dont care who wins...)

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M35MT - 10/29/2007 3:37:46 PMView My AgentSpace

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Exactly my point.

Let's review:
C&D w/ the IS-F: 4.2 to 60
C&D w/ the RS4: 4.8 to 60

Edmunds w/ the IS-F: 4.8 to 60
Edmunds w/ the RS4: 4.3 to 60

....excuse me, but, WTF?!

S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 4:52:35 PMView My AgentSpace

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No, but R&T got the RS4 from 0-60 in 4.3 sec, it's second-fastest time, so this isn't anything out of the ordinary. The IS-F, on the other hand, should have been quicker.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 4:55:13 PMView My AgentSpace

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Actually, XERO, Edmunds also achieved the BMW 335i's fastest time... of 4.8 sec. That is a RWD car, and it had a manual, as opposed to an automatic (manual is harder to launch, duh). So that doesn't hold water.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 7:49:29 PMView My AgentSpace

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I know, and that's why I take their times with a grain of salt. ANY performance numbers--slalom, braking, acceleration, etc.

It's their opinions that I sometimes find interesting, though.

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david999 - 10/30/2007 8:25:49 AM

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As usual Xerokool, you are spot on with your comments. When Edmunds' tests of the M3 were questioned as being less than accurate by most badge whores, I don't remember people claiming that Edmunds tests are correct. Yet when they show questionable results for the Lexus, they must be "better" than what other car mags have achieved with their testing.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/31/2007 5:19:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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Actually, david, I said exactly the opposite.

Edmunds is not a reliable source for numbers and should not be used to quote ANY performance characteristics, Japanese, German or otherwise.

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EnvyofyouRS5 - 11/1/2007 4:12:21 PM

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What is this shanidigan rambling, your kidding right, DSG has been proven as a faster shifting mechanism due to pre-recognizing the shift and getting the gears in place faster than your standard hand to stick placement.
the statements to assume that sport mode and manual settings(paddle shift) are going to be faster than Drive stated using lexus auto 8, your joking. Lexus doesn't incorporate Ferrari or E-drive engeneering into the IS-F. they worked at their 8 speed auto for a reason. any true unbiased auto enthusiast would know this, and why.

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lexusis350 - 10/29/2007 1:22:41 PM

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I love the IS-F and all, but I can't help but think that the 8-Speed transmission was a good idea. In the LS, it's fine because you don't really notice the shifting and the LS wasn't meant to be driven hard. In the IS-F, it just seems to be a bit much. This is just what I've concluded from all the reviews. I'm definitely going to have to try it for myself to be sure.

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lexusis350 - 10/29/2007 1:23:27 PM

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Sorry, I meant bad idea.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 4:55:59 PMView My AgentSpace

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The RS4 has beaten the M3 in three comparison tests.

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lyonboy - 10/29/2007 2:14:28 PM

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This IS-F is a credible effort but it is ugly and no manual transmission, at least it is fast.

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theoptimisticpessimist - 10/29/2007 3:40:07 PM

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Wait a minute the stacked exhaust is FAKE! how 1980 corvette.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/comparison/2008/lexus.is.f/08.lexus.is.f.det.7.500.jpg

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Lexus - 10/29/2007 4:07:01 PM

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Car and Driver had the Lexus IS-F goes from 0-60s, and the Audi RS4 at 4.8s.

Who the the Lexus IS-F in the edmund comparison, probably a Lexus hater.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 4:56:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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lol. This is incredible.

Lexus - 10/29/2007 4:07:46 PM

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Car and Driver had the Lexus IS-F goes from 0-60 in 4.2s and the Audi RS4 at 4.8s.

Who the the Lexus IS-F in the edmund comparison, probably a Lexus hater.

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Lexus - 10/29/2007 4:08:59 PM

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correction, the Lexus IS-F goes from 0-60 in 4.2 second and the RS4 and M3 in 4.8s.

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Porschinator - 10/29/2007 4:11:45 PM

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C&Ds speed times really throw things off. Of course Lexus fans will use C&Ds times since they are much faster than any other mag...hope the Stig gets a chance at it :) Heard the stack is actually 2 tail pipes coming out of 1 exhaust pipe..like a splitter. Very Common.

Gotta see one up close and see if the interior is better than the pics.

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Porschinator - 10/29/2007 4:23:56 PM

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After reading the article I realyl have to see one. Different reports on the stack exhaust, real or not. As well as everything else. Would like to witness this car go 4.2 to 60.

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theoptimisticpessimist - 10/29/2007 4:52:11 PM

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Edmunds has a picture of the fake exhaust on the review its picture 12 of 25.

theoptimisticpessimist - 10/29/2007 5:05:49 PM

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A lot of these Car and Driver 0-60 times has to do with the launch the car. Its done for fast time and not longevity of the car(transmission) I have read that C&D take the car to redline, and then dump the car in to gear. great for speed not so much for the tranny.

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Porschinator - 10/29/2007 5:06:59 PM

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Just noticed it thnx. Seems like they are semi useable. Still dual output from muffler but not directly connected to tips. I guess Lexus was trying to make the tips perfect. Too worried about tips getting off center...lol. Its an idea for sure...hmm?

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GermanNut - 10/29/2007 5:11:24 PM

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amazinBimmer, there is no benchmark in this class. How can the BMW M3 be declared the benchmark if the BMW M3 has lost to the RS4 more than the RS4 has lost to it and BMW delayed its launch the day the RS4 came out for no other reason than to make sure it came with a V8 and 420 horsepower.

Gee, I wonder what other car has those figures......


Why on earth could BMW be testing a twin-turbo 580-600 horsepower V10 M5, I wonder what other car company just came out with their own twin-turbo V10 sedan featuring 580 horsepower. The figure is supposedly close to 600 horsepower in reality.

amazinBimmer lives under a rock, wake up and smell the coffee a 7 year old chassis based Audi RS4 can romp the new BMW M3, Lexus IS-F and even the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG.

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GermanNut - 10/29/2007 5:21:34 PM

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Those that claiim the Audi RS4 is not better than the BMW M3....

Take this you BMW fanboys:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71863

http://www.jabbasworld.net/viewtopic.php?p=841419

The RS4 is indeed better than the new V8 BMW M3.

The next generation Audi RS4 will come with a nice 450 horsepower and slam this unworthy competition even further down.



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theoptimisticpessimist - 10/29/2007 5:30:16 PM

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Not according to Car and Driver.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 7:51:58 PMView My AgentSpace

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And C/D writers have always been BMW worshippers... why is that surprising? At the most, the 3 Series (and any of its variants) has only lost in one or two of the dozens of comparison tests they've put it in.

autopro - 10/29/2007 5:27:57 PMView My AgentSpace

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These cars are so close it comes down to driving skill and who has the biggest set,because their is traffic around when your driving at these speeds.Its safer on a race track,at least the drivers around are skilled.

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GermanNut - 10/29/2007 5:37:19 PM

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Well not according to other comparisons and publications.

Since when was Car and Driver the holy grail of magazines anyway???

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theoptimisticpessimist - 10/29/2007 5:44:15 PM

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It's the best seller of all car magazines. and by the way the two sites you provided(hardly all the press) I can't open one, And Auto express is the other. anymore?

GermanNut - 10/29/2007 6:05:26 PM

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Yes, Car Today. I submitted the article 5 times and it has never been posted.

The Audi RS4 also won that test vs. the BMW M3 and Mercedes C63 AMG.

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MunichRob - 10/29/2007 6:24:02 PMView My AgentSpace

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"Nut" you truly are delusional. If you actually believe the A4's "7 year old chassis based Audi RS4 can romp the new BMW M3" you must be the one living under that rock.

Compared to the two reviews that you so convincingly thought you could shut us down with, Car & Driver is the holy grail.

Yes I'd personally take an RS4 over a C63 but you know what, it didn't even land second place in this review & as I'm sure everyone agrees, this is the one that matters the most. Keep in mind this is the same publication that you so often love to mention positioned the M5 behind the S6, now that it's going against your thoughts I see you don't think to highly of it.

BTW, BMW had planned on putting a V8 in the M3 ever since Audi put one in the S4 it was inevitable then, not upon the release of the RS4. Plus we all knew the M3 was rumored to have 400+ hp up to a year before the RS4’s release.

Anyways you know how you feel about amazingbimmer’s radical BMW fan boy comments, we feel the same way about your radical Audi’s #1 fan comments.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 9:53:25 PMView My AgentSpace

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"...it didn't even land second place in this review & as I'm sure everyone agrees, this is the one that matters the most."

How so?

All reviews are given equal weight in my book. C/D is actually perhaps less important because the 3/M3 ALWAYS (or 95% of the time) comes in first in their tests. It's not a surprising outcome.

zorbeeze - 10/29/2007 6:39:03 PM

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Listen all these cars are fairly equal in 0-60 times. They can all do mid 4s on average and they can all do low 4s given the right circumstances. A race around the track is what i'm intersted in. Same driver same track 3 laps for each car and compare the times. That is the only way you can compare which car performs better. And after that takes place, it doesnt matter if Lexus finishes first or last noone should ever blurt out the stupid old story about heritage. Because at that price range heritage means nothing. When your talking six digit price tags then you can use heritage as an excuse.

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MunichRob - 10/29/2007 10:43:13 PMView My AgentSpace

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Come on S4 you know very well that we were/are all waiting on the reviews from the three largest & most trusted auto publications on our market, Motor Trend, R&T, & C&D.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 10:59:07 PMView My AgentSpace

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I disagree with C/D. Put a British magazine there instead, like CAR, EVO or Top Gear.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 11:02:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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Why are you putting me with him?

Furthermore, why am I replying to your simpleton-esque post?

I wasn't the one who posted the article about CARToday... but in case you're wondering, that is a spin-off of CAR Magazine, the best British automotive read available. Of course, you didn't know that because you don't read out of C/D.

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GermanNut - 10/29/2007 7:26:43 PM

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Don't blame me amazinBimmer for your BMW M3 getting beat out by an RS4 with a 7 year old chassis. LOL!

A BRAND NEW BMW can't even outright defeat an Audi RS4 with a 7-year old chassis.

Good grief....and the E46 which was even OLDER than the RS4 was smacking the RS4 around.

Way to go M-boys, time for you to get slapped again...courtesy of the RS5 and RS6 this time.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/29/2007 7:47:13 PMView My AgentSpace

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"Good grief....and the E46 which was even OLDER than the RS4 was smacking