Lexus LS460 vs Volkswagen Phaeton 4.2 V8 4Motion

Bill submitted on 07/26/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 7:24 AM
from: www.germancarzone.com

Tags: Lexus LS460 vs Volkswagen Phaeton 4.2 V8 4Motion

Found this on www.germancarzone.com. I used carwimmer430's synopsis. Click the link for the scans.

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Basically, the Volkswagen Phaeton is somewhat outclassed by the Lexus LS. The Lexus performs better and offers more for the money. Initially the VW Phaeton gains points for a cheaper base price - but adding all the options is expensive and in the end, you have a car that can cost more than the LS460. The LS460 comes standard with many features and only a few options you need to pay extra for like the collision avoidance system.

Where the VW Phaeton gains is in ride comfort. Both the VW and Lexus are nearly equal in this department. The Lexus is quieter on the inside however, total isolation from the outside world as AMS calls it. Both suffer from poor comfort on rough roads as both suspensions do a terrible job of absorbing the shocks. Both suspensions are also noisy on rough roads.

Engine wise, the weaker 4.2 V8 from the Phaeton does pretty well against the LS 4.6 V8. It's just as refined and it actually offers more grunt in midrange power than the Lexus, which has a 35-hp / 63 Nm advantage. Both cars were surprisingly "slow". The Phaeton took 7.7 seconds to reach 100 km/h while the Lexus needed 7 seconds. The LS offered better fuel economy, it also weighs considerably less and is not AWD. AMS was questioning the point of the 8-speed automatic when it didn't seem to offer a clear advantage over the 6-speed of the Phaeton.

Interior wise, both interiors are rated as high though AMS feels the LS interior does not look very classy and some materials look a bit cheap. The ergonomics of the LS interior were also slightly inferior to those of the VW Phaeton.

The Lexus LS460 had the victory in its hand - and yet lost it. Here's why. The brakes are slow to respond and they're stopping power is not as good as those from the Phaeton and other cars in this class. Handling was another aspect where the LS460 did poorly. The suspension is too soft and the steering feel is too lifeless. The heavier Phaeton handles better and has a more direct steering feel despite also being a car aimed at chauffeurs. Furthermore, Europeans like to take their top luxury cars on long journeys, often with the family. The Lexus LS460 has a very small practically useless trunk and it's load capacity is a pathetic 400 kg (not even including passengers!!!). Hence the Phaeton catches up again and ends up winning this comparison with 490 points (Lexus 469 points).
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Agent009 - 7/26/2007 9:18:24 AMView My AgentSpace

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Hmm a Lexus beat by a VW? Wow the comments could be interesting.

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david989 - 7/26/2007 9:21:27 AM

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The Lexus LS460 has a trunk. Are these Germans blind?

The Lexus LS460 handles better than the S class, 7 series, A8 and other European junk.

The Lexus LS has the best brakes in this class as proven by CNet.

This article screams bias to me. I'd pay more for a Lexus LS460 and get a quality car than an Audi A8 with a VW badge.

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M53R - 7/26/2007 9:39:54 AMView My AgentSpace

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No one said the LS doesnt have a trunk......

and you are so unbaised :)

atomicbri - 7/26/2007 9:40:37 AMView My AgentSpace

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And your comments scream bias to me!

Agent009 - 7/26/2007 9:54:38 AMView My AgentSpace

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david999 - The LS has lost every handling test I have ever seen in a comparison, it is too soft.

The brakes were not even close to the best in class, you are quoting only a singular source.

david999 - 7/26/2007 12:02:18 PM

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Hey, I'm david999, not 989. I have to agree that if the VW Phaeton were this good, it would not be the sales disaster that it is.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/26/2007 3:07:26 PM

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No, you are wrong. The real question here is why would you want to buy one? It may be a brilliant car but it's still a VW. A people's car. No real luxury image/prestige. Jeremy Clarkson said it was better than everything else out there and it had some amazing attention to detail but nobody is going to buy one because it's German joke. Not exactly the most humouristic people around.

Got it?

Audi4Life - 7/27/2007 6:33:25 AM

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go ahead and pay the extra more for what? seats that can give u a massage? and other useless electronic gadgets?

EnnNorak - 7/27/2007 12:45:36 PM

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WOW, david989 has just redefined handling. The LS640 falls short in several areas: The two front seats are not identical in functionality. The driver gets better adjustments than the front passenger. Lexus tried to clone the unique seats of the Mercedes S-Class by incorporating similar independent seat cushion length adjustment for the driver's side only. This is a half-ass shortcut that cheapens the product. Similarly the reclining rear seat in the LWB version of the LS is offered on one side only -- clearly a Maybach wannabe that can't cut it against German luxury. Rice burners don't seem to give customers full value for their money. Lexus better watch out once Hyundai Genesis hits the market. I think the Koreans will give Lexus a real hard time in the car market with equivalent quality and features for much less money.

EnnNorak - 7/27/2007 12:51:59 PM

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By the way david989, the Audi A8 does not wear the VW badge -- it has the Audi 4 rings as its badge. Moreover, contrary to the Lexus steel body, the A8 has an aluminum body which cannot rust. The A8 also has one of the world's best AWD ssytems with a Torsen centre differential. Lexus LS does not even offer AWD. Perhaps your mind is clouded by drinking too much saki.

david999 - 7/27/2007 6:10:50 PM

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LS600h is an AWD vehicle

utahnkid - 7/27/2007 7:11:57 PM

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Audi4Life - Useless gadgets?? You sound eerily familiar to my grandpa when we tried explaining why he might want a computer.. or a cell phone.. or an indoor toilet...

Czelinski - 7/26/2007 9:36:59 AM

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"The Lexus LS460 handles better than the S class, 7 series, A8 and other European junk."

Please...

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Bmw8ter - 7/26/2007 9:48:11 AM

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Another crappy, SUBJECTIVE, comparison. It was ok until paragraph 5. Everybody's an automotive journalist hero, these days.

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KeyserSoze - 7/26/2007 9:54:00 AM

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Agent 009 &
Bill, you just cannot ignore Lexus can you!
Your obsession with Toyota, Lexus and Japanese cars would be a fascinsting case in point for Psychology students @ universties.
Anyway 009 aren't you supposed to be objective! Come on!

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KeyserSoze - 7/26/2007 9:54:15 AM

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Agent009 - 7/26/2007 10:04:32 AMView My AgentSpace

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I did not write article nor did I submit it. So I am providing all sides here, just trying to be fair.

It is very odd to me that if a negative VW or Audi article is posted it never gets the amount of fan rebuttal as the Lexus articles do. Maybe those guys are either used to it, or more secure in their choice. Either way it is an interesting observation.

However as a side note, the only criticism that comes to mind on the Phaeton was the price, never the quality of the car. So if you are offended that a VW may out rank a Lexus then you might wan to write a letter to Lexus to step it up a bit.

Will_ - 7/26/2007 11:17:32 AM

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Well Agent009, if you happened to notice, Lexus articles usually garner more feedback from German fans than anything else. There are practically three negative Lexus responses to every one even remotely positive Lexus one. This site would be nothing without the heavy foot traffic Lexus brings in, not a flame, but a fact.

Hyundai - 7/26/2007 12:18:04 PM

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I definitely laughed out loud at Agent009's comment regarding Lexus fans being super insecure, hence the huge post count on negative Lexus articles. The reason why the Lexus articles are so popular is because the German fanboy-crybabies yell "ooooh! Lexus sucks... AGAIN!". The typical response from the Lexus fans (who also usually LIKE German cars) is... BIAS (which is pretty damned obvious given the success of the LS 460 in the REAL WORLD!).

Anybody see Ari Gold's new ride in Entourage? Hint: it starts with an 'LS' and ends in an 'hL'.

Agent009 - 7/26/2007 1:23:56 PMView My AgentSpace

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Hyundai- LOL you may have a point. But no doubt that Lexus articles are very popular for both reasons.

The few Lexus zealots out there that used poor judgment cause a reign of fire on the other guys from the German fan boys. but in turn we have a few German fans that put their foot in their mouth on a regular basis too.

Needless to say the rivalry is alive and well on AutoSpies.

CLK63BlackSeries - 7/27/2007 2:37:19 AMView My AgentSpace

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I am so furious that Ari is now driving a LEXUS. How dare he downgrade from a BMW 7... I guess the show goes with whats "in" right now, and that would be wannabe green hybrids...

JWalkerLegrande - 7/26/2007 9:54:59 AM

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Toyota also translates to people's car in Japanese (they control 60% of the domestic market sans micro cars), so the comparo is fair.

None of the two is considered a true luxury car in Europe, this makes it even more fair. The fact that the LS wins has to be also connected to the stupid VW pricing policy of giving options at the price of gold (especially in this vehicle class).

IMHO the LS is also a far better engineered car, especially considering the engine. While in the interior dept VW wins hands down, but build fit & finish is also slightly better at Toyota.

//Germanism on:

If you order your Phaeton in Europe, you are invited to Dresden Germany to see your actual car being assembled in a glass factory, on parquet floors. How cool is that ?

//Germanism off.

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Rupert - 7/26/2007 10:01:47 AMView My AgentSpace

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The LS didn't win though, the VW did.

EnginAstur - 7/26/2007 2:22:45 PM

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Sport is a clear idiot no matter which group of people he personally believes to be smarter than another.

It is on record that Asians in general are "smarter" than most. I even did a study in college that coincided exactly with several others showing Asian-Americans test higher on nearly everything. Also, ask anyone which country is more technologically advanced: Germany, or Japan? More people will tell you Japan. Grow up.

budfrogS4 - 7/26/2007 9:56:21 AMView My AgentSpace

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I don't know how you design a car with only a 400kg max load weight. Maybe in Asia that equates to like 10 adults...but here in the US...

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Rupert - 7/26/2007 10:00:52 AMView My AgentSpace

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4 Americans?

Agent009 - 7/26/2007 10:58:08 AMView My AgentSpace

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3.5

Rupert - 7/26/2007 9:59:58 AMView My AgentSpace

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400 kg load capacity!
So small!
I like the Phaeton's interior more too, but I think the LS looks better.
Americans, don't forget (In Europe at least) the Phaeton and LS are eachother's main rivals due to their pricing and brand appeal.
It's a pretty close match though.

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Will_ - 7/26/2007 10:10:38 AM

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It's amazing how the LS460 has lost pretty much every single comparison test it has been in, and yet it hasn't affected it's sales, or the countless awards it has won, including World Car of the Year 2007.

Lexus can lose every single "unbiased and non-subjective" comparison test ever as far as I'm concerned. The LS doesn't handle better than anything else in its class: I'm okay with that.

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Will_ - 7/26/2007 10:21:10 AM

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I guess it's fair, considering the Phaeton is one of the biggest FLOPs in the history of automotive FLOPs...

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/26/2007 10:37:25 AM

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"It's amazing how the LS460 has lost pretty much every single comparison test it has been in, and yet it hasn't affected it's sales, or the countless awards it has won, including World Car of the Year 2007."

World Car of the Year is a joke. It really is.

Anthony - 7/26/2007 10:41:17 AM

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It wasn't for the past couple of years when German automobiles won it, right?

The bias here is so outright deliberate that none of you even bother to try and hide it.

Kinger - 7/26/2007 11:36:25 AM

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Oh come on, everyone on here is biased, we're all passionate about our respective favourite car brands. At the end of the day no matter how many articles there are bad-mouthing amyone's favourite brand that person will still favor that brand over any other's, so what do these subjective comparisons really matter?

bulldogz - 7/26/2007 1:47:39 PM

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"World Car of the Year is a joke. It really is."

...unless Audi, BMW or Benz win it, then it's further validation of their superiority. Kinda like JD Powers is a joke for always picking Lexus, or Motor Trend has become a joke when BMW doesn't come in 1st.

How convenient.

Agent009 - 7/27/2007 8:59:35 AMView My AgentSpace

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Will_ - I have to admire your tenacity for Lexus. But most of us are going to actually care how a car ranks against it's peers.

JRobUSC - 7/27/2007 2:35:18 PM

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Will, I don't think the Phaeton is considered a flop anywhere but here in the U.S. American buyers didn't flock to the Phaeton because VW isn't an "upscale" brand here like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus, etc. In Europe there are plenty of "cheap" BMW's, Merc's, Audi's, etc. The "premier" brands here are much more mainstream brands there, and VW is the largest car company. With the brands on more equal footing, the Phaeton has sold fine.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/26/2007 10:30:58 AM

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The Phaeton is an underrated car. It is absolutely brilliant, before the new S-class came in 2005 it was the best thing out there. It has a certain presence the Lexus can't match. There are also many design cues the Lexus has copied.

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/26/2007 3:10:07 PM

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You Lexus boys must be so pissed at me.

I love it.

Qwazywabbit - 7/26/2007 3:48:06 PM

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LMAO!!!!!! The same thing happens to my comments!!!

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/26/2007 10:34:09 AM

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Let's see

"AMS was questioning the point of the 8-speed automatic when it didn't seem to offer a clear advantage over the 6-speed of the Phaeton."

Ouch. That's what I have been saying for the last coulpe of months.

"Interior wise, both interiors are rated as high though AMS feels the LS interior does not look very classy and some materials look a bit cheap. The ergonomics of the LS interior were also slightly inferior to those of the VW Phaeton."

That too.

"The Lexus LS460 has a very small practically useless trunk and it's load capacity is a pathetic 400 kg (not even including passengers!!!)."

That is PATHETIC! Hell It would not even fit 4 Americans! (j/k)

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Anthony - 7/26/2007 10:39:32 AM

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If I do recall correctly, I though the user whom submitted this article, "Bill" said not too long ago that he was "done with this site?" I guess he just could not resist yet another opportunity to share more anti-Lexus propaganda with one of the web's biggest anti-Lexus enablers, AutoSpies.com.

Relentless Lexus vs. the World comparisons aside, I personally cannot fathom choosing a VW Phaeton over a Lexus LS, mainly for the "L" badge on the LS which trumps the "VW" badge right off the bat. For me, choosing an LS over a Phaeton is probably similar relatively to most of you here choosing a BMW over a Kia.

All this not to even put into question the interior and suspension. Considering the Phaeton is a tarted-down Audi A8, which has more times than not been criticized for a stiffer-than-desired ride, I'll take the LS, even with its lack of cornering ability. The backseat is the place to be in the Lexus, but the snipet of article here did not even bother to address that.

Speaking of which, the link here leads to a login page, for registered users only. I wont bother registering just to read the rest of this, although I welcome any person whom already does not like Lexus to do so.

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Rupert - 7/26/2007 12:00:30 PMView My AgentSpace

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Anthony - the Phaeton is in actuality not very closely related to the A8, it's a completely different platform. It has far more in common with the Bentley GT.
And see I think the VW badge trumps the Lexus one (but I am a European, where Lexus sells 10% of what the German 3 do each).

Rupert - 7/26/2007 12:02:18 PMView My AgentSpace

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And one more thing - the LWB LS is not available in Europe, so rear room is quite average for the class, and less than LWB S classes, A8s, Phaetons and 7 series'.

JUGNU - 7/26/2007 10:43:42 AMView My AgentSpace

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unbelievable

germancarzone biass is unbelievable.

ohh yes it's not surprising,i can see it's a german site.

JUGNU

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Agent009 - 7/26/2007 11:04:31 AMView My AgentSpace

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And many of the complimentary Lexus articles come from Lexus fan sites as well. The reference came from German Car Zone but the article itself was not written by them.

Will_ - 7/26/2007 11:14:24 AM

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"complimentary Lexus articles"

lol.

...and no, many of them don't, not even considering there aren't that many to start with anyway.

Agent009 - 7/26/2007 1:31:35 PMView My AgentSpace

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I actually source from more Japanese sites than anyone else. The problem is that Lexus over there suffers from the same stigma that VW does over here. A lack of clout.

But Lexus is changing that, where VW has a very long way to go in the US.

MeanVulcan - 7/26/2007 12:03:07 PM

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... all these childish (we're better... no, we are!)comments are just a reminder why I just limit myself to reading the OBJECTIVE articles. Grow up people!

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 7/26/2007 3:13:23 PM

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Oowh ok, so we should not believe AMS anymore? Like when they called the LS600h one of the most refined vehicles in the world?

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david999 - 7/26/2007 12:16:16 PM

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If I were choosing between the VW and the Lexus, I would pick the Lexus. If you were looking for a good deal, buy a 1 year old Phaeton which would be worth half the price of a new one.

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1970toyotamarc - 7/26/2007 12:18:14 PM

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How long has the LS been out for now? 6 months? 9? Yet we continue to get these same reviews (esp from German magazines) month after month after month. They say the same things, the same lies, the same subjective criticisms. Not only does this show the desperation of the Germans, but I question the timing. I wonder how many of these articles come out near the end of the month just before sales figures are released......

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david999 - 7/26/2007 12:27:10 PM

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It obviously does not do them any good since LS sales are outstanding.

FENDI - 7/26/2007 12:24:18 PM

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The LS offers more technological innovation than the VW, a softer ride, a faster engine, and a more cache "Lexus" badge. I know which one I'd spend my money on.

I don't even like Lexus and yet I am tired of all this negative Lexus crap. It's pretty much a given that German car patriots are not going to buy a Lexus, so comparisons like these really mean nothing.

And in case anyone cares to know, the Phaeton doesn't sell well anywhere, really. Why? I don't know. Clearly more people around the world find the "Lexus" badge more befitting a luxury car like this than a "VW" badge.

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EL34 - 7/26/2007 12:44:45 PM

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I and some of you have said it a 1000 times that Lexus has been well known for copying and lifing design cues from Mercedes, Audi and BMW, so now let it be known Lexus practically copied the Volkswagen Phaeton for the exterior shape for the LS-Series.

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EL34 - 7/26/2007 12:53:00 PM

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The 2 areas the Lexus shines in are the Mark Levinson stereo and self parking for the people that refuse to do the back breaking work of parallel parking.

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M35MT - 7/26/2007 2:05:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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Is that right 'sport'. Is this why their products are superior in engineering quality? Um, yes, yes they are. When you buy a tv, dvd player, etc., its quality is determined by how well it holds up. German cars cannot be depended on. If something doesnt work, I could give a sh't what its suppose to do when it actually is working.

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M35MT - 7/26/2007 2:48:18 PMView My AgentSpace

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For the same reason American cars sell so well in the USA, dumbass. It's called pride, patriotism and price.

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Kinger - 7/27/2007 5:13:14 AM

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You guys haven't a clue, do you think someone from England has pride in a German produced car? Didn't think so, the thing is European made car's have more style and character than anything coming from Japan, thats why they sell well over here in Europe.

Sure Japanese cars dmight do a bit better in reliability reports than some of their european counterparts but its no where near the night and day difference you Lexus lovers are making it out to be. Is that all you've got, slightly better perceived reliability?

The Phaeton is an incredible car, if you've actually done some research into it instead of just looking at the badge you'll see that. Here's what Jeremy Clarkson had to say about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGNRMOpg7E

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Neverfollow - 7/26/2007 1:46:17 PM

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I new the flame war would be a long one on this topic. I don'g think I will add to it.

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EL34 - 7/26/2007 2:25:32 PM

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Congrats to VW.

Proper props to the German car company!

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Lexus - 7/26/2007 3:54:09 PM

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I don't even know why they even compete the two? Lexus a premium brand and VW Phaeton is for mass. You can NOT compare a VW to Toyota so how in the world they comparing to a Lexus?

Comparing the Lexus LS to VW Phaeton is like comparing a Lexus to a piece of trash.

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CLK63BlackSeries - 7/26/2007 4:25:04 PMView My AgentSpace

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It's funny how theres the lexus people on this site and then there is everyyyone else...

Rupert - 7/26/2007 5:47:36 PMView My AgentSpace

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The cars are priced similarly and (In Germany) have much closer brand status than you think.
That's why they're being compared.

The Phaeton is a ridiculous car (A 70k pound "people's car") but it is a very good car. It is not a piece of trash, and I find it absolutely hilarious that you are looking down from a Lexus on a VW because of the badge, yet when I dare to say Lexus doesn't have the brand appeal of Merc, I get flamed to hell.
You're saying you don't like the Phaeton because of the badge. You're as bad as the rest of us.

Bill - 7/26/2007 6:16:12 PM

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Mr. Lexus, that is some of the dumbest crap I have ever heard. Lexus has zero badge appeal in Europe. VW sells more Phaeton's in Europe than Lexus sells LS. According to the article, which I can read by the way, Lexus has only sold 233 LS during the first half of 2007 in Germany. During the same time period, VW has sold 1,714 Phaetons. 4,660 S-Classes have been sold during the first half of 2007. Now tell me the VW Phaeton is a "piece of trash". Keep talking smack, TROLL.

dumpsty - 7/26/2007 4:30:17 PM

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Lexus:
This comparison should have been doen as these two vehicles are cross-shopped along with the S-class, 7-series, A8, XJ, etc.

I still don't understand how the LS outclasses the Phaeton. The availability & costs of options have tip the scales, but the large VW is a solid offering.

VWs should be compared to Toyotas. What's silly is a comparo b/t a Lexus and Bentley or Rolls-Royce.

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KeyserSoze - 7/26/2007 5:40:10 PM

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The Germans are not stupid! & Neither are the Japanese! Trust me on this one.

We are the stupid consumers who think we know!

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Lexus - 7/26/2007 6:16:54 PM

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Rupert, being on this website for so long, I pick up that bad habit from you German fanboys ;)

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Lexus - 7/26/2007 6:28:16 PM

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Billy, is it okay if I call you Billy instead of bill? Why Billy boy, VW is NOTHING in the U.S. and is only good in Europe.

That is why they CANCEL the Phaeton last year, when it was realease here in the U.S. no one want it. A $100k for VW? LOL :)..................The U.S. did not want to put down $100k for VW Phaeton. With that money they tell themselve I can get BMW, Lexus, Audi or MB. Why would want paid $100k for a people wagon? LOL :)...............

Even their sibling premiun brand Audi is NOT popular in the U.S. when compare to the Lexus brand.

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autopro - 7/26/2007 7:45:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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Who's winning the most important test,sales?

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Lexus - 7/26/2007 8:36:49 PM

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And who's winning the sales game? Lexus is winning, that right, don't hate just accept the fact.

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nextGen - 7/26/2007 9:08:01 PM

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In my family we've owned cars from the US, Japan and Europe. I've admired each for the uniqueness they bring to the market. However it has always puzzled and irked me why German makes are so expensive to buy and so expensive to maintain in terms of parts and service. For all the good things said about German makes, why do they in my opinion do so poorly in the fair price category? Is this the same situation outside the US? And if there is some truth to what I'm saying, why hasn't Germany shown this if they've been in this business for as long as they have?

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Lexus - 7/27/2007 12:08:31 AM

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VW-People Wagon, lower quality, unattractive, unappealing and list goes on and on...

Lexus-epitome of Luxury, good enough for the Sultan
first in the worlds to have 8 transmission, highest level of luxury and quality and list goes on and on....get the point? good....

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farabira1 - 7/27/2007 12:50:45 AM

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Absolutely no doubt about it, i am not going to pay so much for Europe's cheapest brand VOLKSWAGEN against the Lexus LS which is now being compared to the master of the category the MB S CLASS. The article is another dash of german patriotic biase. Every mag that i have read observes that the LS may not handle as good as the 7 series or the S Class, but is just as refined and as opulent in luxury and technology as the S Class (actually exceeding in some category, like self parking). And Lexus is a more respected brand than VW, Other than GOLF GTi, no one in Europe buys a VW because they dream of it, but rather because they are cheap and durable.

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KeyserSoze - 7/27/2007 1:21:01 AM

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The difference between Lexus and other premium brands is that they have got nothing to loose but everything to gain, it may not be as fast in terms of growth but they are growing.
For a company with only 5 sedan models in their line up with 6 different engine choices compared to the German competion which more than 16 engine choices per car maker, I think they can only grow bigger and with the backing of its parent company, they're unstopable!

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528i - 7/27/2007 1:48:37 AMView My AgentSpace

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hahahahahahah........LEXUS.........

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xj13 - 7/27/2007 4:19:50 AM

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Lexus is not in the same class.......

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Audi4Life - 7/27/2007 6:37:05 AM

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toyota brand should be compared to vw and lexus to audi

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Will_ - 7/27/2007 8:51:16 AM

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98...

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