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Motor Trend says Infiniti G37 beats the BMW 335. Does their opinion REALLY matter?

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Motor Trend says Infiniti G37 beats the BMW 335. Does their opinion REALLY matter?

We've been getting a lot of comments about the recent article in Motor Trend that picked the Infiniti G37 Coupe over the BMW 335 Coupe.

But the bigger question is- Does their opinion REALLY matter anymore and will their review have any effect on public perception and more importantly, sales?

We say five years ago maybe, but not in today's world.

The car mags have become irrelevant in our opinion and will never return to their former luster.

There is only one opinion that really matters anymore and that is yours.

Do you agree?

We'd love to hear your thoughts.

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Motor Trend says Infiniti G37 beats the BMW 335. Does their opinion REALLY matter?

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SVXXX - 6/27/2007 12:13:55 PM

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Since we are discussing it (2nd thread already!) then YES it matters!

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Hwany - 6/27/2007 12:19:09 PM

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so does the comparison between Lexus Rx350 and Hyundai Veracruz matter as well?

SVXXX - 6/27/2007 12:21:42 PM

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Actually does. In the eyes of people the Veracruz is suddenly a car! You have to understand that most people are not car nuts like us and their opinion are based on this kind of reviews!

SVXXX - 6/27/2007 12:35:44 PM

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But the G37 vs. 335i can't be compared to Lexus Rx350 vs. Hyundai Veracruz.

Since the original G Coupe the comparison have been very close. So I don't see why people are making such a big deal out of this. To me it's not surprising at all.

I95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 6/27/2007 12:18:39 PM

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For me

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bulldogz - 6/27/2007 4:36:54 PM

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formula1, shut your piehole. Christ, you can pick up a 1 year-old 328 for less money than a new Camry, yet you act like someone making over $100k need only apply. With the lease programs avail., literally anyone can buy into "the Bimmer club" now, they've lost all cache.

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r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 4:38:40 PM

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formula1 - Funny thing is that the majority of BMW owners are the same nonenthusiast that you're talking about.

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no1listensanyway - 6/27/2007 5:28:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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BMW's are such Yuppie cars. Every car in that class, is a great car, you cannot go wrong with any of them. BMW's rely just as much on marketing as Lexus does.

BTW, Motor Trend's opinion does matter, because if it didn't, the BMW would never been the king of anything.

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maikoazu - 6/28/2007 2:11:44 AM

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Hey bulldogz Pick me up 1 (or 2) why don't you. I'll pay you an extra grand for the work.

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SVXXX - 6/27/2007 12:47:03 PM

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Maybe they don't need close minded readers like you!

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enthusiastx11 - 6/27/2007 1:08:13 PM

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let's just see how this translates into SALES.

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BMWsuk - 6/27/2007 3:37:46 PM

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Hey the whores are screaming bloody murder b/c MT picked a jap car over BMW. Agent001's comment about MT said it all.

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r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 4:41:07 PM

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This is ridiculous

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candywhite - 6/28/2007 7:18:48 PM

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7.1 million people who dont know how to drive.

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MrGunFun - 6/27/2007 12:50:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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engineering and performance-wise? NO

price-wise? YES

and I personally don't care, I would take 335 over G any given day.

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printhan - 6/27/2007 2:19:45 PM

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STRAIGHT UP!!

r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 4:50:18 PM

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I would take(hence..free) a 335 also. But if it's your checkbook. And you can't see any real difference on the street or track. You're just buying into the fad. Just like the majority of these posers here.....I'm sorry, I meant posters!!

Qwazywabbit - 6/29/2007 6:43:49 PM

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I have to agree, even though I have owned Nissan products for 20 years.

matt635 - 6/27/2007 12:52:06 PM

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To us in Europe it doesn't matter one bit... We don't have Infiniti's anyway! At least we don't in the UK

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LexSucks - 6/27/2007 2:02:37 PM

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Europeans, as well as the rest of the planet, knows more about cars than Americans do. We're Clueless when it comes to cars. Just read some of the replies here and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's really sad.

answer - 6/27/2007 3:47:42 PMView My AgentSpace

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Speak for yourself you ignorant ass.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 6/27/2007 6:36:36 PM

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Who cares about stupid silly automatics? My god If I were to buy a sportscar like that I would DEFINITELY get a proper manual to squeeze every single horsepower out of those engines! And to be honest, the VQ V6 never really worked well with automatics.

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 6/28/2007 9:57:16 AM

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The chassis good, in fact it's very good. But it is definitely not 'better' than the BMW.

Mind your Xerokool, this is without the M-sport package or Sport Automatic. (that last one will be available to Europeans in 2008)

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answer - 6/27/2007 1:01:23 PMView My AgentSpace

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Obviously it does.

The average person has much more exposure to car magazines then car websites.

Plus, now Infiniti has some nice quotes to provide their marketing department with.

I really can't believe all the BMW guys are getting so pissed about this. If you are so in love with the 3, what does anyone's opinion matter to you?

The whole BMW vs. Mercedes vs. Lexus is just as stupid and pointless as the Xbox vs. Wii vs. Playstation 3 debates.

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r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 4:47:39 PM

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bimmermike - I'll see you at the next light.

kdawg - 6/27/2007 1:03:51 PM

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I want to see a manual vs. manual comparison instead of this automatic girly crap.

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answer - 6/27/2007 3:42:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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You're right. Both the Infiniti and the BMW in this review did not feature a "pedal on the left", a trait they share with the Bugatti Veyron.

No longer does a car have to have a manual transmission to have performance, and no longer does a car have to have a roundel or star on the hood to be exciting.

Get over it, jackass.

bulldogz - 6/27/2007 4:41:11 PM

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right Bimmermike, because 5% of ALL BMWs sold have an actual manual transmission, meaning that 95% of all BMW owners are clueless about owning the Ultimate Driving Machine? And you're bragging about owning an M3? Gee, what a rare car, you hardly ever see those!

bulldogz - 6/27/2007 4:46:08 PM

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how 'bout that SMG there, looks like they don't even offer it on the 5-series, DSG is the way to go, a stick is the 8-track of the automotive world. Time to wake up and join reality.

r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 4:53:51 PM

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"So YES used asswipe it matters. It reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. "Better to keep your mouth shut and appear ignorant, than to open it and remove all doubt" you obviously did the latter!", bimmermike.

Wow!!! And you were saying???

answer - 6/27/2007 5:40:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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Ever since the 993 or 996 Porsche turbo where the 0-60 time was faster with the automatic, I figured morons like bimmermike would have gotten a clue. I guess not.

It is possible to have a performance car with an automatic transmission. In addition to gasoline powered cars from Germany and Italy, the Tesla electric roadster is proof of this.

Manual transmissions are fun, but not required for a sports car. Bimmermike, perhaps your obsession with jerking on a stick has clouded your judgement?

enthusiastx11 - 6/27/2007 1:05:02 PM

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what matters are the purchase decisions of the people buying these cars.

over 120.000 3-series sold every year in the US alone. G sales will definitely increase with this model, but won't come close to 3-series.

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Ironman273 - 6/27/2007 1:10:49 PM

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If that's all that matters then the Lexus brand should be better than the BMW brand since it's selling more in the US.

Don't choose an argument just because it fits your cause.

BMWsuk - 6/27/2007 3:34:24 PM

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Infiniti outsold BMW coupes last year.

kart1 - 6/27/2007 1:11:11 PM

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Agent 001 you are right, in a sense the only opinion that matters is the one that belongs to the paying customer. However there is one more thing at play here. Let us look at two different comparisons that were recently held by Motor Trend. First the one that is doubted by many BMW lovers. Motor Trend came up with the conclusion that there is very small difference between the performance of these two machines and that by being the cheaper of the two the G is the better choice for the consumer. What does this do, exactly? Well it may do nothing since people who want to buy a BMW will want buy one. It may, however, now attract people who were considering to get rid of their BMW or people who want to drive something like a BMW but not a BMW. You see a BMW fan can put down the IS, A4, C-class because it is superior in performance, but it cannot do the same to the G because they are very similar. What this comparison provides is a dignified alternative to the BMW 3 series, once again. Again I want to say is that in this comparison neither car won, but that is the thing they comparison was a draw but the G cost $8000 less.

Now the second comparison, Veracruz vs RX 350. The RX 350 is the better car and has a luxury nameplate which will get better resale values when it is finally traded or leased. Yet this one hurts a lot to the Lexus, yes people who want a Lexus and can afford a Lexus will get a Lexus, but this comparison provides the buyer with less money to spend with an alternative. A lot of buyers will buy the Hyundai because it is cheaper, and the magazine readers will start to view Hyundai in a different light. Magazine readers are enthusiasts and it is a pretty good chance that they are not going to be considering a Hyundai unless they really have to. Now they may start to see them as a company that can produce good cars and not just cheap ones. This comparison also builds the companies reputation.

In the end it is all about putting the car in people's mind as an alternative to what people want. Yes the guys at Motor Trend and Car and Driver may not have as much influence as years ago, but they still have many readers.

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r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 4:51:56 PM

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bimmermike - Dude your subscription is only for another 20 years to those "ignorant mass" magazines. Relax.

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adoptgreyhounds - 6/29/2007 10:35:27 PM

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Bimmermike you make me sad to own BMW's.
By the way if you really want a sports coupe buy/lease a Cayman S or 911 cs. Neither car (3or G) is a true sports car.
Money always matters to U.S. mags most of the people their can't afford a new Honda let alone most of what the test.

Take it for what it is the BMW is the better car on and off track and you pay more for it, stereotypes , bad service and all . The G is a great car and is the closest to a BMW. I respect the G but it still has along way to go.

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Homer008 - 6/27/2007 2:01:18 PM

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Every Media ie newspapers, Newsprograms, internet, magazines we read DOES have effect on our judgment whether you are an bias clowns or not. The truth is when bMW who was known to be the leader of performance sedan category and suddenly gets dirt kicked in the face in so many comparos done by car enthusiasts..Yeah it matters. BMW makes great high performance engines, I do know that. However, when during a comparo test..the engine overheats and blows up and the test driver runs out screaming for mama..then you have problem with facts of occurance during the testing. NOT OPINION. Eitherway, every review in ever media on every subjects does have a great impact on the society.

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STJ88 - 6/27/2007 2:07:44 PM

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The 3-serie's has no history compared to the skyline, the skyline is in its 12th generation and has been in production sins 1957.

And for the people that dont know, the G37 is the JDM 12th generation skyline coupe.

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r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 4:59:03 PM

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"3 series has no history like the Skyline." I beg to differ there buddy. You can't even get a Skyline in the US unless you special order it!! The 3 Series is world renowned. Next!!

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 6/27/2007 6:42:34 PM

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I totally respect the Skyline in many ways, but not the ones from the late 50s-70s. Why? they were straigt and cheap copies of European offerings.

It's only since the R32 came to Europe and blew everything away on the Nordschleife that it became an icon under carnuts. Including me.

The other Skylines are rubbish.

BMWsuk - 6/27/2007 2:30:30 PM

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it does matter because most mags and testers were/are BMW whores. Who the f*ck care if BMW cars have better handling? Normal/average buyers buy BMW because of the BMW badge aka the bragging right

But testers always screamed handling and all that jazz because they were/are whores.

Will buyers buy the Nissan GTR even if it is better than Porsche? Of courss, it is all about the badge.

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r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 5:02:03 PM

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If those badges represent sooo much quality, why incl. maintenance programs? "If you buy our car, we'll pay for the next 5 sets of brake pads that you'll eat up in 2 years."

lexusis350 - 6/27/2007 2:39:55 PM

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Nobody's opinion REALLY matters, but they are experienced reviewers. If you are to base your decision off of another person's experience, you would want to go with someone like them. But it all boils down to which car you like the best.

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answer - 6/27/2007 3:45:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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Funny how each post you make is more ignorant than your last.

There is no "right" answer with these cars. Both are as great as you are stupid.

r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 5:06:14 PM

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It's funny cuz formula1 drives a Chevy Cobalt SS to Sonic where he carhops.

lexusis350 - 6/27/2007 6:18:11 PM

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formula1-

That's not true. The BMW might have a better quality interior. But the Infiniti has better reliability. And it does come down to whichever the person buying the car prefers. I would take the Infiniti. You would take the BMW. See? it's all a preference.

BMW_DRVR - 6/27/2007 2:47:54 PM

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I dont think it really matters which one the reviews say is better. I think what matters is that they are both very good cars and both would be a good choice. When i am shopping i would compare the competition reviews and if they are all good the test drive would decide. No magazine is going to decide where i spend my money.

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r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 5:08:19 PM

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Case closed. Thank you.

Qwazywabbit - 6/29/2007 6:49:32 PM

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About time someone said something intelligent. All this does is get people to get out and drive the cars. They decide for themselves which one is best for him or her.

Lexus - 6/27/2007 2:53:03 PM

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Hwany, yes it matter only to buddy because I guess you own one of Veracruz;) Don't even compare the quality of Hyundai to the like of Lexus yet. Maybe in the future but not now.

The last time I remember reading J.D Power Associate, even Hyundai better quality than some German brand. So it was not a surprise that Infiniti G37 win the comparison.

When you compare the beauty of the Infiniti G37 to BMW 335i, it like comparing the G37 to a Hyudai Accent or Kia sonata or something like that.

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LexSucks - 6/27/2007 3:38:12 PM

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G37 reminds me of an Altima Coupe. The G37 also screams NISSAN!! Which isn't a good trait IMO.

I think that the 335 is a better looking car on the outside, but I like the g37's interior better than the 335's interior.

Given a choice between the two, I’ll take the car that’s faster, better handling, lighter, more fuel efficient, and has better weight distribution. So it’s the 335i for me. But at $8k less than the 335, the G37 is worth a look. But you’ll get what you pay for and spending less money doesn’t equate to getting the better product.

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M53R - 6/27/2007 3:48:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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Couldn't have said it better myself!

r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 5:04:32 PM

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Unless that same G37 keeps whompin your ass!!! "Sounds like you should of manned up and got an M3", is what your subconcious will keep tellin you.

M53R - 6/27/2007 3:49:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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Oh and about the price... does infiniti have free mantainance like BMW? If no then the price is very similar.... which also makes BMW the winner again.

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r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 4:57:14 PM

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BMW has to incl. maintenance because they're too damn high on stupid stuff. Like brake pads, if you people actually owned a BMW, you'd know that BMW's go through pads like oil changes.

adoptgreyhounds - 6/29/2007 10:47:36 PM

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R have you ever had any Luxury/sports car serviced their all overpriced.

r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 4:45:24 PM

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I don't care which car you buy(if you can even do so). The question is, when we roll up to a light, can you drive it like it was meant to be drivin? Can you show me why you paid more w/o me haven't to slow down for you or wait for your ass at the next light?
Chances are there's not one person here who could, when givin the keys to either car, show me why I should spend more/less money on a Spinning Propeller or the car that comes with chopsticks. It's a preference. But make sure you don't get rocked at the next light.

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MrGunFun - 6/27/2007 4:51:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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It's sad Lexus can't share this coupe market. I think Infiniti G is more of a competitor to BMW than Lexucks (sorry can't spell whatever the name is).

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flozel1 - 6/27/2007 7:52:47 PM

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So true.

Take formula1diot for example. He's too busy posting garbage here while his klan master is wondering why the hell is he always late for klan meetings.

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BM3W - 6/27/2007 5:12:15 PM

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Does Motor Trend opinion REALLY matter? In my opinion comparison test are more for bragging rights. A smart consumer will do their homework and purchase the car that fits there needs and budget. This may not be the tread for this but it's a shame that the 335i lost because of the over-heating issue. Because it appears it had won in every other category. The G37 is no slouch it's indeed a great car for the money. But at the end of the day when BMW factors in their free maintenance program the cost for the G37 and 335i are about the same. For me what makes the 335i a really great car is when chipped it will produce upwards of 400hp/385ft-lbs torque for about $1,300. So, no these comparison test does not matter to me.

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r_driver04 - 6/27/2007 5:31:19 PM

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So why not just get some real "ones" buy an M3 from the beginning? People have got to stop posing at some point in time.

WickedRabbit - 6/27/2007 6:29:19 PM

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not that im discrediting the G37 (because I like that car about as much as I like the 335i COUPE (sedan is butt fugly), but Motortrend always awards the "newest styled" vehicle the winner. ALWAYS. Every time a car is redesigned it wins COTY regardless. Ford F150 (how big of a piece of crap was that vehicle...u barely even see that on the road), new Chevy, new everything. New design wins. Basically, the Motortrend of the year award can be won by anyone so long as you redesign your car.

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WickedRabbit - 6/27/2007 6:29:49 PM

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when the A5 from Audi comes out they'll say that's the winner. Just watch.

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BM3W - 6/27/2007 6:29:58 PM

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Why, because an M3 is 15K more.

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SupraNeverBack - 6/27/2007 6:41:02 PM

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So much for "Ultimate Driving Machine", got outhandled by a 200lbs heavier & ~$10k cheaper G37.

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ThierryHenry14 - 6/27/2007 7:06:48 PM

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If BMW would have won, I think a lot of immature "german" car fans would have celebrated and rubbed it in the face of Japanese Car fans.

But my opinion is that it doesnt matter which way the verdict goes. Its one magazine and it means nothing.

BMW is still great, Infiniti has built a good car, and each will still sell.

BMW will still sell 90k+ per MONTH, so it doesnt matter.

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truecarlover - 6/27/2007 9:09:35 PM

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Bulldogz - I agree that most BMW owner have no idea what "Ultimate Drving Machine" really means - but I must dispute about the M3 - in NY they are all over the place.
As far as the article people - be willing to take the good with the bad. If a magazine votes down a car you like then don't point it out when they do it to one of their competitors. Keep it even.

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bulldogz - 6/27/2007 10:56:10 PM

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truecar, I was being facetious, M3s ARE everywhere, it's not like the priviledged few have one, if you want one you can easily get one, especially used they are overabundant even though the new one isn't even out yet.

Gee, I wonder why??

truecarlover - 6/28/2007 6:18:34 AM

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Ok - on that I can agree with you. I've always loved M3's - but you do see too many of them - it takes away from how special they are. The S/RS, AMG, and even the M5 are way more exclusive.

Htay7500 - 6/27/2007 10:16:26 PM

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deboost me if you want, but this will become, no wait, already another bitchfight like the similar articles posted. do you really want magazines to decide whats best for you? well thts what theyre here for but then again, it is your decision.

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titsmagee - 6/27/2007 11:05:42 PM

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I think to a couple people, for the most part people buy both cars b/c they are luxury brands. People buy Infiniti for value, people buy BMW b/c they think its the better car.

I just don't see this test swaying many people, especially since the 3 outperformed the G37.

The price difference is huge but everyone already knows that.

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xj13 - 6/27/2007 11:42:24 PM

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This article is nothing short of crap, eaten up by uninformed morons.
Nissan builds Cheap mass produced cars to get you from A to B, they occasionally add leather and wood and call them Infiniti.
Get out of the habit of comparing BMW with cheap mass built cars like Nissan and Lexus, there is no comparison.

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Qwazywabbit - 6/29/2007 6:42:24 PM

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There is a comparison you idiot--its called value. Not all people want or can afford the "best". They want the best they can afford. And believe me, the G is the closest thing to the real thing, and a hell of a lot cheaper.

Auto_expert - 6/28/2007 1:24:37 AM

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Didn't they say this before when the G35 came out? Hmm...don't see many of those on road though.

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weaponX - 6/28/2007 9:33:23 AM

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It gets your attention especially if they’re testing the car you’re interested in.

But, it’s not even close to being the main factor in my buying decision.

In the end it’s just one publication’s opinion out of hundreds of other possible sources….whether print, TV or Internet, agree with it or not…..file it away or soak it up.

For me at least Motor Trend's credibility is severely downgraded. They sensationalized the cover, and made it appear as if Infiniti scored a “decisive” victory on the 335i. That’s just laughable.

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snatchandgrab - 6/28/2007 11:42:19 AM

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Since I own both an Infiniti and a BMW. I wouldn't doubt it. I love both of my cars. My Infiniti's older but it runs like a champ and has plenty of power. As for 335 vs G37..from what I know from owning the two of them...I'd really take both...I do like to look at resale value though..the Bimmer would be better. I don't normally keep cars forever, but my 99 Q45t is a keeper...how long will I keep my 645ci? I'll give it another year.

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snatchandgrab - 6/28/2007 11:47:08 AM

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The people on this site are like little kids. Why do you take it so personally. I don't care if you like my cars or not. I like all of my cars..hell, I own an Infiniti, Bmw, Mercedes and a Chrysler (shoot me). You folks need to grow up. Stop bitching everytime someone says something negative about your favorite car. Waa waa waa!!

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Its because they are angry for MT doing something that is absolutely wrong. The 335 won the comparison, but MT gave it the G just for the value--that is BS, and every enthusiast, whether they admit it or not, knows this is true---because it is.

candywhite - 6/28/2007 7:18:11 PM

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All american car mags are garbage.
cuz nobody knows how to drive in north america.
seriously.
you can tell by the simple fact that everybody here drives automatics, upon a few years ago no car in europe even had automatic.
MT & CD & WR are all nonsense mags seriously.
they are all tools and biased by whoever gives them money.
I wouldnt buy a car because an american mag said its good, thats for sure.

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Qwazywabbit - 6/29/2007 6:40:00 PM

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Candywhite, you are a Euro-trash prima dona obviously, to say that about North American drivers. Ive seen people drive all over the world, and the worst are in Africa, and Asia. The best drivers I have seen are in Germany. American drivers fit neatly in the middle, because after all, people come from all over the world to live here after learning to drive in other countries. Thats why the drivers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Houston, NewYork, and other major immigrant cities have the highest accident rates, as well as the highest incidents of traffic citations for moving v