R&T: Does the new Cadillac CTS beat the Infiniti G35?

I couldn't care less, that is.

— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2007 3:20:31 PM | | Votes: 1   

BOXY IS HUMMERS, JEEPS, AND LAND ROVERS. In NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM IS THE CTS "BOXY". ANGULAR/SHARP MAYBE, BUT NOT BOXY...

— Caddyman07 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2007 3:07:23 PM | | Votes: 1   

lol...

the whole cadillac line-up follows the shape similar to a polygon.

but its different and i like the CTS, but i'd personally choose the G35.

— r15mohd (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2007 3:12:34 PM | | Votes: 3   

REAR DOORS: I THOUGHT SO TOO WHEN I FIRST SEEN PICS BUT AFTER A VISIT TO THE DEALER, I CHANGED MY MIND...

— Caddyman07 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2007 3:36:23 PM | | Votes: 1   

I can totally agree with you on the extremely stiff suspension. You can feel every little crack on the road. Then again I think it gives you more feedback that way. If you take a sharp turn really quickly it seems to make sense, well, it did for me.

— bigTYME (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2007 6:33:21 PM | | Votes: 1   

the CTS would be my choice out of these 2, your right the CTS isnt trying to be anythign but itself. its nice looking, its more distinctive than the G, and i think the interior looks nicer as well

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2007 10:54:36 PM | | Votes: 2   

"The CTS design is simply a masterpiece!"

I really, really hope you are joking. The design of the new CTS is the definition of bad taste.

— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2007 4:29:22 PM | | Votes: -3   

CTS and bad taste seem to go hand in hand. It's not a terrible looking car, just has too many geometric shapes and angles to it.

— r_driver04 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/2/2007 12:04:33 PM | | Votes: 2   

The A4 has grown six inches, so I don't think it will be too small. But I like the CTS a lot, too.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2007 5:03:14 PM | | Votes: 2   

"With CTS we have Plastic Dash made to look like Leather"

The dash IS leather. I was at the dealership less than a month ago- the dash is leather. Not the highest quality leather, but it most certainly is such.

— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2007 8:58:57 PM | | Votes: 1   

ok your statement is full of contradictions. what is the aerodynamic point behind the blunt audi nose and the huge grill.....or what is the difference between a leatherette covered dash, and a plastic dash if the dash is plastic anyway....i like the 3 series as much as anyone else but not even in the 3 series, has a real leather dash, or even a leatherette dash, and neither does the audi a4. the cheapest audi with the leather dash option in a sedan by the way is the high dollar S6. and as much of a BMW fan i am not even the fully loaded 550i priced just about the same as the S6 has a leather dash or leatherette dash for that matter. so what is your point....that wrapping a dash in leatherette, which shows attention to detail, shows poor quality and costs cutting, as compared to a plastic dash....thats not logic. but hey its Cadillac thats reason enough not to like it.....comeon some people....i hate unsupported bias against cars

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 12:30:22 AM | | Votes: 2   

ok your statement is full of contradictions. what is the aerodynamic point behind the blunt audi nose and the huge grill.....or what is the difference between a leatherette covered dash, and a plastic dash if the dash is plastic anyway....i like the 3 series as much as anyone else but not even in the 3 series, has a real leather dash, or even a leatherette dash, and neither does the audi a4. the cheapest audi with the leather dash option in a sedan by the way is the high dollar S6. and as much of a BMW fan i am not even the fully loaded 550i priced just about the same as the S6 has a leather dash or leatherette dash for that matter. so what is your point....that wrapping a dash in leatherette, which shows attention to detail, shows poor quality and costs cutting, as compared to a plastic dash....thats not logic. but hey its Cadillac thats reason enough not to like it.....comeon some people....i hate unsupported bias against cars

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 12:30:38 AM | | Votes: 1   

The article said itself it is a leather look alike, and not real leather, and its still not padded leather.

— rok_altima (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 8:44:29 AM | | Votes: 0   

Well, the dash may not be leather. The dealership told me it was, but I cannot fund anything that refers to its material. It is cut an sewn- it isn't embossed plastic- and I do believe hat it had some padding underneath.

— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 1:22:40 PM | | Votes: 1   

Its a plastic material, if it were real I'm sure GM would make special note of it in the interior features of their website for starters. Why make a leather dash but put painted plastic trim as aluminum? I would prefer the reverse.

— rok_altima (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 2:32:57 PM | | Votes: 1   

I dont know why this is so difficult for you guys to understand.

Cutting and stitching Plastic to immitate leather is probably more Time & Labour Intesive and therefore more Expensive than designing a good Plastic Dash. I completely detest fake stuff

Fake Leather Covered Dash {Designed to resemble Real Leather}
Fake Aluminium Console {Painted Plastic to resemble Real Aluminium}
Fake Side Vents { Designed to resemble a Functioning Engine Vent}

Hell, the salesmen are even Lying to potential customers about the Fake Dash All this effort to make a vehicle look better or seem more expensive than it really is.

What you have not asked yourself is this; If they are willing to do all this Window Dressing with the things you can see a first glance, what other cheap stuff has been glossed over with the Main Running Gear of the Vehicle ??

THE THINGS YOU CANNOT SEE.

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 7:18:27 PM | | Votes: 1   

bmwdrvr

Thats The Bloody point, the 3-series & the A4 & the C-Class are not trying to impress customers with FAKE STUFF.

The side vents in the M3 is REAL
The Alumimium in the A4 is REAL
Both have REAL PLASTIC DASHES

This reminds me of the first time I rented a lincoln LS V8, I was told by Hertz that it is the american equivalent to the Jag S-Type, then i got inside and realized that the Sides of the Seats & Headrests and the Whole armrest and the Door Linings were all Fake Leather that was Textured and Coloured to look like the real thing.

Makes me wonder which Bean Counter thought that the buying public were too Dim Witted to notice the difference ?

Then again i guess they were right, the LS did OK in the USA, they did not even try to sell it outside of North America. Maybe they knew the rest of the world would not be so Dim Witted.

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 7:28:30 PM | | Votes: 2   

no thats not the point....if the dash is plastic its plastic....whether its vinyl, leatherette, or just plain plastic...who cares. that is by no means, away to say the CTS is low grade...but it more so saids the time spend into putting it together, because they could have just had a plain old everyday plastic dash.....not just that but hell if your going to have a bias against a car...at least be factual...is that real leather on the door of the S5???? NO!!!!!, and thats a 60grand car. why would a entry level 32-44 grand car have a leathered covered dash thats for high dollar cars. How many cars in this class, dont use real aluminum, or real wood, or real leather.....even the 911 what at over 70 grand doesnt use real aluminum. The Lexus ISF does its the trim on the doors and center console what it looks like no its plastic!!!!, before your Bias has you pointing Fingers at Cadillac find Logic, and ask Logic does your argument have any Merit, and the Answer a Big NO!!

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 7:56:27 PM | | Votes: 0   

What are you talking about with the leather-covered doors in the S5? It has leather inserts if you get the Nappa leather seats, but it has Alcantara as standard.

I understand I95's point. Audi, BMW and Merc make no apologies for their use of plastic--they just present it in an expensive, substantial way. Cadillac tries to disguise it with their over-hyped "French stitching." And the fake aluminum does annoy me. It's a nice interior, but it is not class-leading when you consider how it's built.

I don't like fake things, either. It reminds me of a Rolex knockoff. Nasty.

And for some reason, whenever I think of GM products, I think of the McDonald's ad campaign a few years back where they were touting their "premium" chicken strips. The word "premium" always comes to mind when talking about GM, and not in a good way. I want the General to succeed-I really do-but they need to put a lot of effort into it to get back to full potential.

Take the new Malibu. It looks nice, but at the same time I still think it looks cheap. Don't ask me why. It just has an air of cost-cutting about it. So do many new GM products, with the notable exceptions of the GMC Acadia and Yukon Denali.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 9:07:43 PM | | Votes: 0   

no sir thats not real leather, ive sat in one, and the salesman agreed the "leather" on the door panels is not real. while how odd it is to call Cadillac a brand similar to Mcdonalds....when Audi was founded and built on being simply PREMIUM VW, they always have been, same engines, same chassis, for the most part the same quality interiors they have in recent years tried to seperate themselves further....The Cadillac CTS shares its platform with what other GM NON Cadillac Car...NONE. As a matter fact while were also pointing to fingers at the GUys to Bias to realize that there other Good Cars than the ones they are way to into...UHM Audi doesnt have anything else fake in their interiors? you may want to look into that because your dead wrong if you think that they dont. The point isnt Trash Audi but that a car is a car, It being A GM product doesnt make it any less a Car than any other Luxury Brand, that and if you are going to talk about fake stuff shouldnt be in a car make a list of cars that do from VW up to Mercedes, Acura, BMW, Infiniti, Lexus the list doesnt end there use fake materials its called the all mighty dollar....if every piece of silver was aluminum, and everything that looked like leather was in cars, and entry level cars interiors were wrapped in leather they would be priced with ULTRA LUXURY cars and if not that high thousands more than they are.....Check the Bias at the Door, and get some more facts

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 11/2/2007 11:06:46 AM | | Votes: 0   

The "aluminum" is painted, so I doubt it has real wood

— rok_altima (View Profile)

Posted on 11/1/2007 2:29:25 PM | | Votes: -1