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Review: BMW 335i Convertible, Finally A Convertible For Men?
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Review: BMW 335i Convertible, Finally A Convertible For Men?
Convertibles have always had a bit of a stigmatism surrounding them in terms of femininity, noise, handling and comfort. Not so is the case with the new BMW 335i Convertible. Agent008 and myself had a chance to drive this new ‘vert for a week and came away from it thinking there really isn’t much we’d want to change on the car. We got to push this car to its limits and back again out in the desert roads of Arizona, never once being disappointed in driving a convertible through these windy roads. As the fastest 3 series to date, and BMW’s first hardtop convertible in history, we are positive no one else will be disappointed either.
With this new hardtop retractable roof being the first ever produced by BMW, it is quite obvious they did their research on it, and went through many revisions. The tight tolerances they were able to achieve(we’re talking ½” from one moving part to another) shows off just how much technical engineering went into layout out this design. What’s even more amazing, is there is still trunk space left even with the roof folded up into it. Not exactly a ton of space, but certainly more than enough for 2-3 bags of groceries, or your golf shoes, a broken putter and maybe a sleeve of balls. OK, so grocery shopping still has to be done with your X5, but this car was made to drive, not sit outside the Whole Foods. Under 60mph, wind buffeting was very low, even without the wind diffuser setup over the rear seats. Both myself and Agent008 could carry on a conversation at normal speaking levels, even while winding it out down the highway. Having had my fair share of convertible drives, this was a pleasant surprise. Perhaps not as big of a surprise was how well the hardtop did with keeping in the heat with the top up. Even though we were in the desert, it was still the winter and the weather was 40s-50s depending on the time of the day. With the top up, it warmed up just like the coupe, and never had that draftiness you felt with BMW’s older ragtop 3 series. A big bonus for us Northeasters, this is now a four season car.
Hardtop functionality is totally hands off, there are no latches and no levers to push or twist. Simply use the button next to the iDrive, or use the key fob to complete the transition from coupe to convertible. Be warned though, our biggest “disappointment” and only problem we ran into with the car was with the key fob control over the roof movement. We found it to be very quirky with limited range. US Spec cars are required to have the driver within an arms length of the car in order to active the roof(up or down), but we found it to work erratically around the car, and often we had to be right up against the window. These were pre-production cars and were assured any type of issue like this would be resolved before production. European Spec owners need not worry, they have the ability to use the key fob from up to 40 feet away. US buyers can thank their “we can’t trust you to watch your kids around this moving roof/guillotine” lobbyist for that one.
This was my first drive with the new 335 engine and all I can say is wow. A 300HP, 300lb-ft torque, 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, twin turbo inline 6 cylinder unleaded premium gas guzzling rocket. Mash the throttle at any speed and at any RPM and the revs just climb, and climb fast. I own a 2001 BMW 330i, which is “quick”, but this 335 is “fast”. I’m talking E46 M3 fast. Instant power, zero turbo lag, flat torque “curve” and geared just right make this a man’s man kind of convertible, perhaps a first in automotive history(not including those cars that come out of Italy of course). Even the gearbox felt smooth, well, ok, not smooth, but noticeably easier to maneuver then the E46 transmission which is notoriously known as a horribly shifting tranny. The clutch was light, but with a definitive pick up point, and it seemed to grab instantly, where as the E46 suffered from some sort of clutch valve which would moderate just when and how fast the clutch would engage. A very annoying aspect most enthusiasts sought out to remove. So E46 owners looking to move up, rejoice, this thing finally shifts like every other car out there. We didn’t drive the automatic, as Agent001 has it this week, so check for his review soon. Another thing to rejoice about, the DSC is now less invasive. It no longer engages when you’re trying to pull out into traffic, totally cutting off your power. It no longer randomly engages going over bumps or potholes, and it no longer makes itself present when you’re just trying to have *a little fun*. It acts more like the M3 DSC. It will show up to save your ass when you need it, and let you be otherwise, bravo BMW, from everyone who has suffered the fate of traction control kicking in when you REALLY want just the opposite, we thank you.
Perhaps the success of the new DSC has to do with the new suspension as well – this car is glued to the road. You might not have seen it in the video (we would like to keep our good standing with BMW ?), but we tried our hardest to test out the limits of the suspension. Every time we thought we had pushed the car enough, the suspension would just keep on...suspensioning. Well ok I made up that word, but I think it’s appropriate, this convertible has literally raised the bar in terms of stiffness, low body roll and lateral grip. The body is incredibly stiff, but the suspension is not at all harsh, the car emits very little body roll, even without the added stiffness of having a roof and when pushed to the real limits, the car understeers in a very controllable manner. Now I know this is a convertible, which really aren’t track cars, but this one just screams to be driven hard. The suspension is sporty when needed and soft when not, built-in under steer will keep you from becoming a permanent fixture in a guardrail and the Active Steering makes it simply enjoyable to drive, fast or slow. And there is no concern of blowing a tire as all 335i Convertibles come with runflats. These runflats provide a nice sense of security, and no noticeable increase in road noise or harshness. Runflats have come a long way in the last 3 years, and it is obvious the suspension engineers design the suspension with these tires in mind.
Moving on into the inside of the car, the first thing I noticed when I sat in the drivers seat was the added knee room. When I get into my E46, 9 out of 10 times, my knee bumps up against the dash. I’m 6’3”, so taller than the average driver, but the added space was well appreciated in the front seat, although I would not want to be in the back seat, ever. We drove a LOT of miles in this car, 220 to be exact, which is a lot for a press drive. Never once did I stiffen up or feel the need to reposition myself in the seat; things I find I am often doing in my car. The seats are very comfortable and offer the standard array of fine adjustments. Ingress/Egress with the top up was on par for other coupe type cars, with the top down, getting in and out was pleasantly easy for this tall driver. Rear seat ingress/egress was tough no matter what position the roof was in, consider this car a 2-seater with extra cargo room.
On the electronics side, our car was outfitted with the full deal, navigation, iDrive, Bluetooth, iPod hookup, and none of it I found to be overly complicated, however it does take some time to become comfortable with it. The menu system isn’t as intuitive as others(Infiniti I find has a very intuitive system) and some features like changing the map display were hidden 4-5 levels deep into the navigation. However, the features of the navigation system far exceed the E46 – a lot more map options and tons more points of interest have been included. Better zooming and map positioning control have been integrated, although I worry about the older crowd adapting to it quickly. I think after about 2 weeks of owning the car, you’d know all of its ins and outs, but having only been able to work with it a few hours, I don’t think it’s appropriate to say whether or not the new system has any major flaws. I will give this one warning, watch out for the cup holders, top heavy drinks have a tendency to go flying out of the holder in high-g turns.
One of the most appealing attributes of this car is obviously the fact it has a hardtop. Not only does the hardtop provide a quieter ride, it also helps the car keep its coupe-like appearance. With the top up, it’s very hard to distinguish it from the 335i Coupe, with the top down it screams “let’s floor it and have some fun!” and not “I’m a chick car, this is my first time, go easy on me”. The looks back up the engine hidden under the angular hood. An aggressive front fascia, a ground hugging suspension drop, big-wide tires and a shallow wheel gap all help this car maintain its masculinity, all while still keeping the look of elegance that will attract female buyers.
Is it a car you buy for yourself, or a car your girlfriend buys but you somehow end up driving all the time, kind of like her old Mini? Too masculine to have owned a convertible in the past? Too worried about how cold it will be in the Winter? Well, we think this car is going to change a lot of people’s minds; it drives like a coupe, accelerates like an M, is fun like a convertible and still feels like a BMW. We think this hardtop is going to change a lot of people’s opinions about convertibles, just like it has ours. This one is a winner, nothing in its segment compares.
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sewingmachine
- 3/11/2007 9:50:27 PM
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this site is so biased, what a sellout. lolllol i kid, i kid.
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Agent004
- 3/11/2007 9:52:09 PM
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haha, no reason to "i kid, i kid" it is true, we are biased to superior cars. :)
S4cabriofoxone
- 3/11/2007 9:59:30 PM
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I WANT THE NEW M3 CONVERTIBLE.
Now that that's off my chest...
The new 335 (335i? 335ci?) is a beauty. Sexiest four-seat convertible for under $50 grand, easily. I also find it better-looking than its little brother Z4 and archrival SLK.
And the interior in the 3 is really substantial. IMO it's much better-built than the 5's, as well as being more attractive and with more direct controls. It looks like it should've been the 5 Series design in the first place. Impressed!
I have sat in 3's before, by the way, so I'm not impressed as if this is news to me.
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enthusiastx11
- 3/12/2007 10:14:27 AM
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in total agreeement....beautiful car and sounds like a blast to drive.
M53R
- 3/12/2007 11:31:22 AM
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why did you get deboosted again?
S4cabriofoxone
- 3/12/2007 8:22:02 PM
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WHY DID I GET SO DE-BOOSTED?
I didn't say anything negative!
WTF?!?
JRobUSC
- 3/13/2007 2:22:06 PM
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you got deboosted huge for saying positive things and are wondering why... I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it was by the Lexus fanatics on this site. I know, it's a big risk to take going out on that limb, and I'm sure I'll be deboosted huge too before anyone can see this, but I'm pretty sure that's where it's coming from. Agent004 is deboosted even more than you, and all he said was "we are biased towards superior cars".
S4cabriofoxone
- 3/13/2007 4:59:05 PM
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Now, I'm at -17 and he's at -12.
And for what? My name?!
This is so ridiculous. I can't describe it.
Agent004
- 3/14/2007 3:19:32 PM
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-13, I'm catching up, or down, not sure which!
Will_
- 3/11/2007 10:27:05 PM
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I love this. However this is one of those convertibles that only looks good with the top down, in my opinion. The convertible with the roof up looks weird.
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EvoAudi
- 3/11/2007 11:51:50 PM
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i like the audi A/S/RS4 is still the best.
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enthusiastx11
- 3/12/2007 10:16:14 AM
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an A4 convertible over this? really? not nearly as good looking or fun to drive.
TauronB2G
- 3/12/2007 1:09:26 AM
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Not straight men...total chick car. The M3 (even if I did like the current 3 series) is a mans car.
And before you ask I drive a CLK 500 cabrio..and yes I should have bought a CLK 550!!!
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S4cabriofoxone
- 3/12/2007 8:22:48 PM
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The CLK is a complete chick car, in case you didn't notice.
enthusiastx11
- 3/15/2007 12:35:37 AM
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it's hysterical that you call the 335i a "chick" car and you drive a CLK. more women buy CLKs than 335i convertibles!
also, 325/328i models typically sell 50/50 male/female while 330/335i models primarily sell to men. pretty logical...men tend to be more into powerful cars than women.
Lexus
- 3/12/2007 1:46:13 AM
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Love the title, " Finally a Convertible for Men" ;) The new 3 Series is very soft compare to the last gen. It look like it was created for the female crow if you know what I mean;)
In this segment the 3 Series look very soft compare to the Lexus IS350, Audi A4, C-class, Acura TL and the Infiniti G35.
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enthusiastx11
- 3/15/2007 12:39:55 AM
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do tell...what exactly do you mean by 'female crowd if you know what i mean'?
and you must be joking about the 3-series looking soft relative to the IS! the IS is another soft, round L-finesse design that blends in with the lexus/acura/toyota crowd. the 3-series has sharp, hard lines and is never mistaken by any sighted person as anything else but a BMW.
you lexus fanatics crack me up. you can't seem to see anything good about any other cars. sure, lexus makes really reliable, comfy cars...but they're hardly ever innovative in design or fun to drive.
528i
- 3/12/2007 1:47:55 AM
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What about the SL, its for men too.
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narmeen13
- 3/12/2007 4:59:05 AM
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4 men, i dont think so! all bimmers are girly cars except the M5... my opinion anyway!
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enthusiastx11
- 3/15/2007 12:41:15 AM
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and which are the non-girly performance cars that you can drive every day? which convertible would you buy for $50k or less?
bulldogz
- 3/12/2007 8:29:01 AM
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yeah, like a C class and TL just scream "manly". C'mon, a TL? Only FWD car in it's so-called class, horrible oversteer too.
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jmrA480
- 3/12/2007 12:33:00 PM
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honda- so your views are unbiased, your a honda fan who thinks the TL is the best looking in class? What a surprise, dont call someone else unbiased when you clearly are too!!!
What a hypocrite!!
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jmrA480
- 3/12/2007 12:40:53 PM
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edit- should read
"What a surprise, dont call someone else biased when you clearly are too!!!
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enthusiastx11
- 3/15/2007 12:42:15 AM
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I CAN HARDLY STOP LAUGHING.
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henbmw
- 3/12/2007 8:11:10 AM
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Wow, did this site get linked to a mental hospital.
This car is gorgeous and class leading as well. Funny how fans of the competition keep knocking BMW's because they are jealous that the 3 series continues to be the best in class and highest selling in the segment.
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henbmw
- 3/12/2007 10:50:20 AM
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Haha. I don't know where to start, Lexusmaniac.
1. BMW is the highest selling in its segment. In fact, the 3 series was the 17th top selling car in the US last year. The lexus IS was no where close to making that list.
2. the 3 series has been on car and drivers BEST CARs list for 14 years running. along with the new 3 series has one just about every comparo done. need proof? just scan any car review website.
3. They are priced within hundreds of dollars of eachother and no, the lexus is not as fast as a 335i. again this can be proven by looking at the numbers
PLEASE SUPPORT CLAIMS WITH FACTS
5MTenthus
- 3/12/2007 11:25:00 AM
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IS350 is not a man's car... it has an automaotic transmission.
5MTenthus
- 3/12/2007 11:25:17 AM
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*automatic
jmrA480
- 3/12/2007 12:34:36 PM
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lexus- the IS350 cant touch the 335i, where are you getting that the IS350 is faster thent the 335i
bulldogz
- 3/12/2007 2:15:22 PM
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so 5Mtenthus, from your logic: since less than 5% of ALL BMWs actually ARE stick, 95% of owners are either female or unmanly?? What about AMG then?
dumbass.
5MTenthus
- 3/12/2007 2:23:33 PM
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That is how my logic works. Enthusiasts drive sticks. If you aren't an enthusiast, get a Camry.
enthusiastx11
- 3/15/2007 12:44:52 AM
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AGREED.
120,000 3-series sold last year vs. 45,000 IS (and 90% of those were the underpowered 250)
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Rupert
- 3/12/2007 11:39:42 AM
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I like it more than the coupe, but I think I'd prefer an A5 convertible (when it comes) or a CLK. I just don't really like folding hardtops, you can't travel anywhere with the roof down and luggage. The extra weight is also a problem. I'd like it more as a soft-top.
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BMW4me4ever
- 3/12/2007 12:34:07 PM
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rupert .. about the trunk space issue. This conv has fold down rear seats with a pass thru to the trunk for a large back. The folding rear seats make it easy to store anything. As far as I know, there is not a single conv that seats 4 people with fold down rear seats.
Agent .. I am envious due to the fact that the car has not been released to the US yet. The official release date is March 24, 2007. Cant wait to drive it
Rupert
- 3/12/2007 5:16:39 PM
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But I like to take long driving holidays, I'm going to spain in Summer by car, and we need something that can take luggage and 4 people. A cloth top 330i does that fine (just no hard suitcases).
If I wanted an occasional 2 seater then I would have an SL, but the 3 series needs the 4 seats, and I feel they have compromised them too much with trunk space.
M53R
- 3/12/2007 11:39:53 AM
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Let me get this straight for you fanboys...... The BMW 3 series is the benchmark in its class (till now). No lexus IS can beat it. It even beat the lexus in every single comparison if Im not mistaken. When any of you say the IS is the best car in its class, how about you try and include some facts? Because I can guess its only S*** pourin out your A**es. Fanboys.........
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izfuney
- 3/13/2007 1:47:06 PM
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If you want to call somebody else a "fanboy" for stating their preference for the Lexus I would suggest that you include some facts in your statement! The is350 is a NA marvel, that has apretty well matched transmission to deliver a fun ride thats good for 7/10 (with tc) to 9/10th (with tc shutoff) of the limit. While BMW did a good job with the (sequential turbo's) boosted 3 Liter 335, it isn't quite the track star C/D makes it out to be. Its suffers from significant heat saturation (power fall off) when pushed hard on a track, something that the Lexus 1s350 does not suffer from (albeit you have to shut off the tc using their wierd hidden way).
In addition, both these cars are porkers (heavier then 3500lbs), and no body who really tracks cars ( or sensible folks who know racing) or is interested in outright handling uses these pricey poseur mobiles.
JRobUSC
- 3/13/2007 2:33:24 PM
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actually the 255hp 330i beat the IS350 in all the comparison tests, and the 330i wasn't nearly as quick as the IS350. But it still won overall in every enthusiast test I saw them in. I haven't actually seen a 335i vs. the other comparison test but I'd guess if the 330i was #1 before the 335i would win too.
As for the heat soak issue, that's not usually true for FI cars with an air to air intercooler, which the 335i has. It's typically associated with FI vehicles that have no intercooler or use an air to water intercooler. Air to water intercoolers will typically lose their cooling capability after running hard for several minutes because the fluid gets hot and once it gets hot it pretty much stays that way. There's less fluctuation in intake charge temp with air to air intercoolers since the ambient air is doing the cooling.
SVXXX
- 3/12/2007 12:31:11 PM
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Lets not get off-TOPIC people.
The answer to the TITLE IS:
NO it doesn't look like a convertible for men!
Based on the pics the look is totally for chicks.
But as we know cars can look different in pics then they really are. So lets wait and see it on the street.
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Agent004
- 3/12/2007 2:07:33 PM
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It's about as accurate a title as I could come up with that summed it up in a nice short manner :)
The car has an aggressive look, a powerful engine, tons of interior space for the driver and the top retracts. These are the characteristics that define a good convertible for a man. Convertibles have notoriously been thought of as more feminine, and it is our opinion, this car has broken that stereotype.
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AMGC55
- 3/12/2007 2:14:00 PM
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I think this the perfect couples car... If the guy wants a coupe he has it... if the girl wants a Conv she has it... Its a great car overall....
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EL34
- 3/12/2007 3:37:58 PM
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Anyone can drive this car and feel like their gender
when driving down Pacific Coast Highway in OC.
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EL34i
- 3/12/2007 4:14:32 PM
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Le Bitch
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S4cabriofoxone
- 3/12/2007 8:24:27 PM
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Someone has been de-boosting everyone to holy Hell. What is wrong with you people? More importantly, what is wrong with our POSTS?
001, PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU, GET RID OF THE BOOSTING SYSTEM!
It's nothing but trouble, and it's tedious to have to show each and every comment that was de-boosted. Immature system IMO.
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S4cabriofoxone
- 3/13/2007 4:59:57 PM
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How ironic. I was de-boosted and 001 didn't read my comment.
Will_
- 3/13/2007 6:29:14 PM
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You're a big hypocrite. Go ahead and deboost my comment S4...
chuck717
- 3/12/2007 9:41:03 PM
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Wow? In 1987 had a 325is, if back then i saw a photo of this 2007 and would have thought BMW would be broke, why are the auto makers so scared to give us real change in the 21st century. Same old story i guess, build it and they will buy?
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5MTenthus
- 3/13/2007 12:15:56 AM
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It's just like Digg...
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bulldogz
- 3/13/2007 12:43:39 PM
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it needs a bra on the front...for support.
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Loki123
- 3/13/2007 2:34:50 PM
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Porsche 911 Turbo is a man's convertible...
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enthusiastx11
- 3/15/2007 12:47:35 AM
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a man with buckets of money.
i'm looking for a convertible and hard pressed to find a better one in this price range. any suggestions?
answer
- 3/13/2007 5:58:38 PM
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This car is manly if you think the image of Fabio driving around town with his shirt off is manly.
However, the ultimate chick car is the convertible VW Rabbit/Bug with the triple white color scheme (doesn't everyone know that?).
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Agent008
- 3/14/2007 8:44:11 AM
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"I can't believe its not convertible"
e46wagon
- 3/14/2007 5:31:40 PM
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Ok, I know it's pedantic, but people need to understand words before they use them.
Webster's says stigmatism is "the condition of an optical system in which rays of light from a single point converge in a single focal point".
Perhaps you meant to write stigma, which is "a mark of shame or discredit" (like the writing in most of the "articles" on this website). Better put down the copy of Maxim and pick up a driving manual before someone in a convertible chick car (say, a Boxster S?) schools you. If it weren't for the occasional real leaked info and fawning fanboy wars, this site would be pointless. Vince at the Hollywood Extra can't spell either, but he also doesn't make misleading posts.
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Agent008
- 3/15/2007 9:24:04 PM
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I just re-wrote, and then re-read the review, replacing the word "stigmatism" with "stigma", and then later with "sty" and "sticky". Strangely enough, it conveyed the exact same message...
So, yes, pedantic you are. We may be lousy at grammar, but hot damn we get to drive some sweet cars!
e46wagon
- 3/19/2007 12:50:01 AM
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No, I meant misleading in a general sense, such as posts titled "exclusive!" (press release) or "spy photos!" (hack Photoshop). I had access to press cars for several years, any smooth talker can finagle that or press access. It still doesn't make you journalists. For everyone else here, you'd be surprised how a lot of these writers abuse the press cars, and consider their use of them a right. They hand them back to the automakers filthy or dented, with fumes in the tank. I guess that's the price of glowing praise that ignores the everyday ergonomic or reliability hassles paying consumers must endure.
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nvme
- 3/18/2007 11:46:57 AM
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Am i the only one under the impression that japanese car fans and specifically lexus automatically bash or try to bash anything coming from germany or europe for the matter? and that americans think that europeans are idiots and vice versa - not specific to this post in particular - ? and correct me if im wrong but some americans seem to give credit to the USA for what japanese car makers do!
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xryder
- 3/30/2007 1:43:16 AM
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Trust me, it is a chick mobile. The convertible 335i comes with a tampon holder. Any dude who drives it will be in the same demographic as rich teenage girls and the stereotypical CA, FL, AZ soccer moms. BMW might not sell you the car unless you own at least a pushup bra and pink thong panties from victoria secret.
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