The Car Connection reviews the Lexus LS600H!

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The Car Connection reviews the Lexus LS600H!

"Does LS600h deliver? When it comes to looks and technology, the new sedan just might crack the European hold on this segment of the market. There are still those who'd prefer a V-12 for its own sake, though others might enjoy the bragging rights of driving an environmentally friendly package.

Price is also a plus. Yes, it may be the most expensive Lexus ever, but LS600h comes in at least $15,000 less than European competitors - more like $25,000 considering comparable equipment packages.

The new sedan is a worthy offering, comfortable, lavish, prestigious, and surprisingly fun-to-drive. While we might have a few minor complaints, the overall package is quite spectacular and we expect the market to pay serious attention when the first LS600h sedans roll into Lexus showrooms."

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SupraNeverBack - 4/23/2007 12:47:39 PM

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Not bad 21mpg under 2008 EPA rules, although I expected more. But 21mpg is really good for such a heavy car with AWD.

It is interesting to note that the detuned 5.0-liter V-8 output 389 hp/385 lb-ft, which means the upcoming IS-F will have at least 385lb.ft of torque! That is close to 100lb.ft more than the M3.

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Autoegr525 - 4/23/2007 8:26:57 PM

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Edmunds tested the LS600hL, it was slower to 60 than the LS460L by 0.1 seconds and tied the quarter mile. The Car Connection says expect 18mpg from the 600hL. LS460L gets 18/27. Performance is the same at best, mileage increases a bit in the city but is drastically lower on the highway. What is the point of this car?

enthusiastx11 - 4/24/2007 10:37:03 AM

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there is no point.
people of means are not morons. they're not going to pay more for a model that is deficient to it's little brother in so many ways (weight, accelertaion, efficiency, etc.)

david999 - 4/24/2007 11:47:27 AM

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This car will be sold out and in high demand.

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SupraNeverBack - 4/24/2007 12:09:38 PM

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BMW 760Li MSRP $122,600
Weight 4905l bs
v12 438@6000 hp, 444@3950lb.ft
6sp
0-60mph 5.8s
Top speed 150mph
Fuel consumption 14/22mpg by pre-2008 rules ( ~12/20mpg in 2008 model)
vs.

BMW 750Li MSRP $78,900
Weight 4552lbs
v8 360hp@6300rpm, 360lb.ft@3400rpm
0-60mph 5.8s
Top speed 150mph
Fuel consumption 17/25mpg by pre-2008 rules

MSRP $122,600-MSRP $78,900= $43,700

LS600hL MSRP@$104,00 is a steal compared to 760Li.

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SupraNeverBack - 4/24/2007 12:10:27 PM

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http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/7/760liSedan/techdata.htm
http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/7/750liSedan/techdata.htm

enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:10:19 AM

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supra:
you said you would be very disappointed if the LS600 got anything under 23mpg (in the last posting on the car).

now you're happy with 21mpg.

i don't get it??

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enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:12:59 AM

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you also all said that it would get 25mpg+ and be under 5 seconds to 60 besting the LS460, 7 series and s-class.

the track record of the lexus boys predictions: not so good.

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enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:15:53 AM

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it's a steal because almost nobody will pay the same price for a lexus vs. a mercedes or bmw. lexus simply doesn't have the same pricing power.

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enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:19:25 AM

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they're only making 2,000. let's see if those sell.

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SupraNeverBack - 4/26/2007 1:16:29 PM

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Honestly, I am a bit disappointed. :( I definitely expected more. But that is still a great achievement by Lexus, a product no competition can response.

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jon21 - 4/23/2007 1:31:10 PM

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Sweet. Good for the LS600h.

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Will_ - 4/23/2007 1:37:00 PM

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no1listensanyway - 4/23/2007 6:49:36 PMView My AgentSpace

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I agree with you on the whole engine thing. Instead of playing catch up with engine design, they are trying new things. I beleive there are plenty of wealthy people out there who will appreciate the innovation of the LS. After all, that is how many of these people became wealthy in the first place. I still think that Lexus missed the mark with the LS, but hey its only round 1 of many to come.

TruenoAE86 - 4/23/2007 9:58:16 PM

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"Simply dropping in a larger displacement engine would have required no creativity," contents Moritaku Yoshida, chief engineer on the LS program, "and not made the brand statement we wanted."

Whay kind of brand statement is this when you spend loads of R&D money and effort for worse performance, worse dynamics (increase in weight from battery), decrease trunk space (battery again), for slightly better fuel efficiency on stop and go traffic???

Creativity?? I would actually call it a waste of creativity.

Afterall, it's just another marketing spin....

Anyway, it's not like Toyota doesn't have any good V12 engine in its house. Just use the same one in the Toyota Century. Stuff it in the LS, and it'll sell like hotcakes. Such a move would also sound better to the investors in terms of ROI (i.e. minimal investment, maximal profit).

Will_ - 4/24/2007 12:14:32 AM

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Such a move would receive heavy criticism on behalf of everyone in the automotive community as Lexus just copying and pasting from Toyota. That's exactly what they were striving NOT to do. Did you even read the quote I selected carefully?

With any new technology there will always be areas for improvement, but to call it a waste is completely inappropriate. Also, different from the Germans, Lexus can afford to continuously spend millions of dollars on research and development.

GX470guy - 4/24/2007 8:59:26 AM

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Will, you are amazing. Go Lexus! Mmm... Lexus. Reliability and Quality are all that matter. Yay!

TruenoAE86 - 4/24/2007 10:44:12 AM

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"Such a move would receive heavy criticism on behalf of everyone in the automotive community as Lexus just copying and pasting from Toyota. That's exactly what they were striving NOT to do."

Ok, but the LS is actually a Toyota Celsior until 2006, and the SC is actually a Toyota Soarer. These two have been selling in great numbers. As far as I'm concern, both of them often receive praises, not criticisms on "cutting and pasting"

I actually like the way Toyota is cutting and pasting things from Toyota to Lexus. This is called efficiency, and profit maximizing.

"Did you even read the quote I selected carefully?"

Yes, I did. I stand by my original statement that it is a waste of creativity, waste of R&D money, a complete marketing spin, and not a genuine technological breakthrough.

"With any new technology there will always be areas for improvement, but to call it a waste is completely inappropriate. Also, different from the Germans, Lexus can afford to continuously spend millions of dollars on research and development."

With any new technology there will always be areas for improvement? What a lame excuse. If Moritaku Yoshida is genuine about improving the brand and the LS's image, he should have improved these new techs before bringing them to the market. Bringing out subpar new techs with a higher premium price tags is not a correct way to improve a brand's or a model's image. A smart shopper will always stick with the regular LS, not the 600h.

I don't know, and don't really care about the German manufacturers. Before you say that they don't have cash to spend on R&D, at least back it up with some numbers.

Back to the subject, ROI is always the number one concern of shareholders. They always want minimal investment and maximum profit. Toyota does have loads of the shareholder's cash to spend, but spending it on fruitless programs like F1 will never appeal to the shareholders. Spending it on developing the 600h, instead of stuffing a V12 in the LS will probably not appeal to them either.

TruenoAE86 - 4/24/2007 10:48:51 AM

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Speaking of brand image, ask anyone here whether the 600h would do a better job, or a V12 LS would do a better job.

TruenoAE86 - 4/24/2007 10:52:42 AM

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Speaking of brand image, ask anyone here whether the 600h would do a better job, or a V12 LS would do a better job in improving the Lexus brand image.

enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:18:22 AM

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so to differentiate from toyota they spent tons of money to make a slower, fatter, more expensive car?

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ERupert - 4/26/2007 7:17:41 PM

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Actually, If I were in the market for such an automobile, I would ignore the hype that implies that only Japanee cars are well put together, and pay attention to such things as snob appeal because, let's face it, almost no one in this price class talks about miles per gallon. The top Lexus doesn't even have its own body, wheras cars like the S-Class ride on their own frames. The is also the qestion about the styling of the Lexus; before they were apeing Mercedes, and now the're apeing their own cheaper cars (ES).

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KeyserSoze - 4/23/2007 1:45:19 PM

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Agent001, if you go to www.wheels24.co.za you will see that lexus is seriously rocking the establisment, the LS460 is outselling the 7 series, the A8 and is about to shake the S class from the pedestal in S.A. That is fascinating!

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truecarlover - 4/24/2007 12:48:19 AM

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Actually that is only in the U.S. When they outsell them worldwide - then that will be something to crow about. The world is much bigger than the United States and unless you realize - the car business is global and countries everywhere are getting more wealthy. If they can pull it off I will say that you are right - but as for now - you are "blowing smoke"

Bill - 4/24/2007 3:00:17 AM

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The LS sells well in the US because it is also significantly cheaper. I'd say the S-Class sales are pretty damn impressive when you factor in the price.

GX470guy - 4/24/2007 9:00:34 AM

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The LS460 is not CHEAPER!!! $25,000 is not a lot of money!!!!!!!!!!!!! RELIABILITYQUALITY. Mmm... money. Mmm...Lexus...

david999 - 4/24/2007 11:50:02 AM

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Why don't the 7 series or A8 sell well than?

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S4cabriofoxone - 4/24/2007 3:16:26 PMView My AgentSpace

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Maybe because the 7 Series is six years old, and the A8 is five?

david999 - 4/24/2007 4:20:04 PM

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But these are prestige vehicles that cost less than an S or LS. They should be flying out the door.

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enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:24:41 AM

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do you understand how auto sales work?

enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:26:55 AM

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almost without exception, sales spike in the first model year and trail off each year after that. you also typically see a mild boost when a vehicle is refreshed, but then it trails off again. with the exception of pinnacle cars like bentley or rolls, this almost always holds true.

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TheSailor - 4/23/2007 2:02:11 PMView My AgentSpace

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Well... It might be a nice peice of machinery, but it still ain't a V12 which is really what sells the german flagship models... I think that the right thing to do would have been to build a "small" V12 and then make a hybrid powertrain for that...

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Rupert - 4/23/2007 2:58:38 PMView My AgentSpace

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A 5 litre V12 should be easy - the S600 is only a 5.5 biturbo.
And this reviewer did not spend a long time with the car.
However "Actually, we have another big issue, and that's with the Lexus Advanced Parking Guidance System. Sure, with an engineer sitting by our side, we got it to work three out of four tries, but the process was slow and cumbersome. And trying it on our own, our success rate was significantly lower."

Will_ - 4/24/2007 12:19:01 AM

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Just putting a V12 in there would defeat the whole purpose! As I have already attempted to point out, Lexus engineers did not want to just drop a V12 in, or just attach a hybrid. What they came up with is a seamlessly-integrated V8 hybrid with a massive amount of horsepower with mpg not associated with such a vehicle of its stature.

TheSailor - 4/24/2007 3:31:13 AMView My AgentSpace

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People don't want a "V8 with the power of a V12" in these cars! They want a V12 they can brag about! It's very simple... If you have a car with a V12, you don't have to explain anything, it has an engine like those in big Ferraris and Lambos (12 plugs), but if you drive an LS600hL, you have to do a lot of explaining... "Well you see, I have a V8 Lexus, BUT IT HAS A HYBRID POWERTRAIN and the power of a V12"... And half the time, that will end up with another question; "What is a hybrid powertrain". Especially if you don't live in the US (Or more specific California)!

EliteRanger - 4/23/2007 4:45:03 PM

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As the article says "Price is also a plus. Yes, it may be the most expensive Lexus ever, but LS600h comes in at least $15,000 less than European competitors - more like $25,000 considering comparable equipment packages" Lexus is apparently a premium brand right? Or so you fanboys keep claiming. If you're regarded as a premium brand, you wouldn't be trying to undercut the big 3 so greatly. Just shows how Lexus can't charge that extra money for the prestige factor, becausr there isn't any.

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Bill - 4/24/2007 3:07:30 AM

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Good post, you speak the truth. And I see the Lexus fanboys deboosted you because it was too much for them to take. My gosh what a bunch of pathetic little losers.

david999 - 4/24/2007 11:53:38 AM

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German MRSP are not their selling prices. Those vehicles are discounted all the time.

answer - 4/24/2007 1:17:35 PMView My AgentSpace

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If you give a crap if your stuff gets boosted or de-boosted than you are the pathetic one.

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S4cabriofoxone - 4/24/2007 3:19:36 PMView My AgentSpace

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Oh, really? Most of the high-end German cars (starting with V8 midsize sedans and up) sell for over sticker. The best I could do with my car ($63K sticker) was about $62,500. You can't seriously get a "discount" on a high-end German luxury car... well, the R500, but that's different.

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IZZIE06 - 4/24/2007 7:04:20 PM

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really when was the last time you got an S-600 at a discount or an S-65? please inform me where

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enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:29:57 AM

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and lexus never discounts to sell aging models like the RX to support it's position a #1 'luxury' brand?

or to push slow IS sales.

or to unload the old LS before the new one came out.

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mitchatlexusofmarin - 4/25/2007 9:58:30 PM

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S4- then you stink at negotiations. EVERY German car in the LS class, including the S class is being sold for very little over invoice to make the sale. Believe me, I am directly tuned in to this market.

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Alec - 4/23/2007 4:45:22 PM

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You know even if Lexus were to add a V12 into the LS, most of people would still priase the Germans only because they've made so many. In fact the German 3's top line limos are V12s. I applaud Lexus trying to not jump into the frenzy of being just like the Germans. If people really wanted to drive a super limo at 155mph take the Germans, nothing about the LS600hL says "I want to drive fast". This car is more about the luxuries it offers in a super limo.

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Agent63 - 4/23/2007 5:43:46 PMView My AgentSpace

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except it's no super limo like all the Lexus fans think. A simple comparison by Jeremy Clarkson got them to all believe that.

The LS600H has a front end I wished the normal 460 would have but I guess it's to distinguish the two models. I would buy a Diesel German or a Hybrid LS if I really wanted to be get good mileage.

Bill - 4/24/2007 3:06:28 AM

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Why are all the Lexus fans we get here such RETARDS?

People won't waste money on a Lexus so quickly because it doesn't stand for something. I'm talking outside the US, where people actually care more about status than no-name brands like Lexus. Enough said.

My gosh the posts on this site are pathetic.

GX470guy - 4/24/2007 9:02:35 AM

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Yes, LexusFanForever. You are so right. Rolls-Royce sucks in comparison with our mighty Lexus Gods and Lexus Superfriends. Mmm... Lexus.

My GX470 has a backup camera! Take that, GL450!

Rupert - 4/24/2007 11:58:37 AMView My AgentSpace

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Your GX 470 is a slow, bad handling rebadged European Toyota Land cruiser!
woo you!

david999 - 4/24/2007 12:10:57 PM

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North America is the most competitive market in the World for Luxury vehicles. That is why it is a major feat to be ranked number 1 in terms of sales. Why try to diminish this fact?

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Willis - 4/24/2007 4:29:54 PM

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Europe is the most competitive market in the world, not America. America is the biggest, but Europe is the most competitive. Need I explain?

david999 - 4/24/2007 8:34:54 PM

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Yes explain please.

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XYZZ - 4/25/2007 3:38:51 AM

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the ONLY thing RR and Bentley (and the germy 3) have over Lexus is "heritage."

toyota benchmarked the RR decades ago, and built their version for the Japanese Imperial Family and other Asian heads of state. it is called the Toyota Century. and it has had a v12 and ALL the lux amenities. even RR made do with PUSHROD engines until recently.
so the Century, and now the Lexus LS600, not only matched RR, it was more technically ADVANCED.

again, the ONLY thing euro snobs have as far as TRUE bragging rights is heritage.

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enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:23:35 AM

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let's be careful how we define luxury. in the automotive industry $70,000+ is defined as the premium segment. i.e. REAL luxury cars. not ES or RX or 3-series or C-class.

who do you think dominates there?

mercedes, bmw, audi, porsche, range rover. and in much smaller volume bentley, maserati, rolls, ferrari, etc. lexus barely plays in the premium segment.

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enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:41:03 AM

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LOL

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Agent63 - 4/23/2007 5:52:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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You know I must bring this up again. In this segment at 100K and up the cars are made to such perfection it's hard to decide what to get. That is also why I think loyalty plays an important role. Lexus fans will buy a Lexus if they were happy with previous models and likewise with the German Audi,BMW,& Mercedes.

Despite all this flame wars going on with these topics I think we can agree to the fact that any car for 100K is of supreme quality and have their own pros and cons.

I think we can say that the LS/A8/7/S are all engineering marvels in their own rights. European have had a longer history in luxurious barges. Lexus the new comer hasn't always been innovative with design but they have done extremely well with support from Toyota we can't take that away from them.

We all feud because the cars are so good these days and so much attention is paid to detail that if we all had the choice we would probably buy them all. I think there's no win win situation because whatever you buy another car always has something better to offer. No car is perfect and that's life.

Anyways, I placed an order for an S550 and GS450H for my company and waiting for the A5 to come out. I can't wait!

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Alec - 4/23/2007 8:19:40 PM

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I understand your point of one company having a few marks that set them apart and above. But people here are comparing the German's V12 power and sport to a quiet and more luxurious Lexus. It was never made to speed as fast as a S63, it was all about the luxury and comfort. Its what sets it apart from the rest.

Agent63 - 4/24/2007 3:31:39 AMView My AgentSpace

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But you also can't forget what the German's are about as well. S-Class is all about luxury, refinement, and comfortability with many innovative designs. The A8 W12 is also luxurious and have one of the best fine finished interiors in the market today. The 760 is more sporty than any of the two I just mentioned. BMW has alawys incorporated sport with luxury and Audi almost the same. Mercedes has always been less of sport but more of luxury. Lexus, im my opinion has always been trying to compete with Mercedes as their cars in handling haven't always been the most nimble. Like wise with Mercedes but their AMG's aren't bad handling cars but not the best.

I think Lexus has done a great job with the new LS in comparison to the old one. The old one was bland and boring. The current one has a little more spice to it and it looks much better than the predecessor. It looks like how a luxury sedan should and I think for the North American market it will do very well. Why? because other domestic luxury brands such as Chrysler/Cadillac/Lincoln are not up to par with Lexus. However on a world wide scale Lexus has much to do to convince European car owners to switch over. Perhaps if marketing was as good as the marketing in the US it may win some hearts of the German owners on a world wide scale.

I think the LS is the benchmark luxury sedan in the US and the sedans from the big III are the benchmarks for Europe. I also think that since the Lexus badge was catered to the US it should have great sales. It's the same as bringing Cadillac over to the UK and convince Brits that an American luxury car can be better than a British luxury car. It's the same case with Lexus and the Euro's.

GX470guy - 4/24/2007 9:05:33 AM

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Although the S-Class is beautifulsexy and probably nicer than the LS, id take the LS over it for the Reliability and Quality. Who needs a fancy interior or styling or performance when you can have an eight-speed transmission, Reliability, and Quality?

Autoegr525 - 4/23/2007 8:23:36 PM

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Edmunds tested the LS600hL, it was slower to 60 than the LS460L by 0.1 seconds and tied the quarter mile. Lexus predicts a 20/22 city/highway mileage rating for the 600hL, LS460L gets 18/27. There is no performance gain, mileage increases a bit in the city but is drastically lower on the highway. What is the point of this car?

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GX470guy - 4/24/2007 9:07:37 AM

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Yes, we are so smart!!! I am so with you!!! WE KNOW HOW TO BUY CARS, unlike German carfanboy!!! Lexis are so sexyluxurious and have RELIABILITY and QUALITY!!! We have taste!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LEXUS GODS FOREVER, UNITE! GO "L!" SUPERPOWER LEXUSTOYOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mmm... Lexusmoneyparksitself.

enthusiastx11 - 4/24/2007 10:49:52 AM

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lexusfan:

how are people SMART for paying more for a slower, fatter, less efficient car that's basically the same as one that costs $30,000 less?

Agent63 - 4/24/2007 10:05:37 PMView My AgentSpace

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Lexus is not ultra luxury but you seem to believe it so much. Have you even tasted ultra luxury? Lexus is good but not that good.

It's not whether you're smart or not. You use this as an excuse because the ultra wealthy will be looking at the S600, A8 W12, 760, and of course the top of luxury world: Bentley, RR, & Maybach. However if they are all about the environment they may look into a Hybrid but even then if they have liked Euro cars they may look towards a Diesel as well. The new Bluetec diesels emissions are good and fuel effiency is good too.

GX470 & LexusFanForever,

Do you two even own a Lexus? or do you own a Toyota thinking it's a Lexus? If you don't then you wouldn't know how it feels to drive one therefore you're just a band wagoner and hopped on because your friends own one and they SAY it's good but you really don't know for yourself. Go out test drive Lexus and some European. I assure you Lexus is not the best. However they definitely aren't the worst. I love the GS so you can't say my comments are biased.

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indoctrin8ed - 4/23/2007 8:25:36 PM

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Lexus doesn't have notariety in the 100k+ range to make this a profitable line. It's more strategic. A 21 MPG hybrid sounds almost embarassing.

This seems to be more a production concept car to drive technology down into the flagship models than anything.

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Will_ - 4/24/2007 12:16:50 AM

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With this car they will gain the notariety. A 21 MPG hybrid may sound "embarrassing" to you, but not to the more knowledgable people about the various other circumstances of this long wheelbase full-size, 438hp, AWD luxury sedan.

GX470guy - 4/24/2007 9:09:09 AM

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Yes, we are SO knowledgable! We are superior to you "German" car buyers! Will, you really know how to please the LEXUS GODS! Mmm.. GX470..

Mmm... Lexus!!! RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY RELIABILITY QUALITY.

enthusiastx11 - 4/24/2007 10:52:06 AM

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will:

come on. even lexus makes some mistakes. stop trying to justify a 21mpg hybrid that's fatter, slower, and less efficient than its gasoline counterpart. people driving them will be called hypocrites if they dare tout their 'hybrid.'

david999 - 4/23/2007 8:44:39 PM

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"The new sedan is a worthy offering, comfortable, lavish, prestigious, and surprisingly fun-to-drive. While we might have a few minor complaints, the overall package is quite spectacular and we expect the market to pay serious attention when the first LS600h sedans roll into Lexus showrooms".

A fair review.

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GX470guy - 4/24/2007 9:12:05 AM

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Yes, completely UN-BIASED, unlike many reviews that don't have HONEST, RELIABLE, HIGH-QUALITY opinions! They really know how to review this car! Nobody who says bad things about it knows ANYTHING! We, being LEXUS FANS, know EVERYTHING! Nobody should be allowed to buy KRAUTmobiles, becuase LEXUS IS BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!! SEXYLEXUS4EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

Mmm... Lexus.

enthusiastx11 - 4/24/2007 10:52:53 AM

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yes. fact-based. totally objective. lol.

LexusKindaGuy12 - 4/24/2007 1:30:32 AM

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okay people need to understand, we cant compare the gas mileage yet.

the LS460 mpg is rated on the 2007 scale and the hybrid under the 2008 scale which is a big difference

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enthusiastx11 - 4/24/2007 10:47:06 AM

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either way, 21mpg sucks for a hybrid.

GX470guy - 4/24/2007 9:13:39 AM

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LEXUS WILL TAKE OVER EUROPE JUST LIKE THEY'VE TAKEN OVER THE SMARTEST BESTEST COUNTY IN THE WORLD, THE UNITEDSTATES OF LEXUS!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOO LEXUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mmm... Lexus.

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answer - 4/24/2007 1:21:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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I get it. You have a Lexus name and post pro-Lexus comments, but you are actually a Lexus hater.

Sorry, but there are already a bunch of weiners here doing that already.

There are still some open positions for the "Lexus is for gay people" posters.

S4cabriofoxone - 4/24/2007 3:15:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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LOL, he has some ridiculously hilarious comments, though. Sounds like what some of the overzealous Lexus fans say, except exaggerated. (You are not one of them)

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GX470guy - 4/24/2007 5:27:29 PM

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In fact, you are both incorrect.

I am very "for" the Lexus brand, and I do have a GX470 ('04) in adittion to a Mercedes-Benz E320 ('05).

I have been looking (curiously) at this website for months. This site is pretty annoying. I am mocking the more idiotic Lexus fans, yes-- but I'd buy another GX if I were looking to replace it.

So, although my posts are sarcastic and I know there are not any "Lexus Gods" and that Lexus will not "take over the world," I do admire many of the cars they produce. It is amusing to take on this personality on the site... so I will continue to do so. Cheers.

Whoops, almost forgot:

Mmm... Lexus...

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Rupert - 4/24/2007 6:10:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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Bestest?
What are you, 4?

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Rupert - 4/24/2007 6:11:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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thank god you aren't real.
please, i was believing you...

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huu76 - 4/24/2007 9:40:43 AM

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Love how everyone keeps comparing the LS460L w/ the LS600hL (no other car even comes close, so it's understandable).

autoger,
Diesels get lousy mileage in the city (roughly equal to gasoline) and excel on the highway. What's the point of that when diesel requires more oil to make (there's no overall benefit)?

What everyone keeps on ignoring is that this car is heavier than the Germans, better in every way, yet gets 30-50% better mileage. Of course, since the Germans win in 0-60, they'll probably focus on that eventhough these are limousines.

Dropping in a bigger engine is so typically US/German.

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