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The New Jaguar XF Is The Least Jaguar-ish Car Ever- Is That A Good Or A Bad Thing?
I've seen the new XF a number of times at the auto shows and now cruising the streets of SoCal and the one thing that keeps going round and round in my mind is that it really ISN'T a Jaguar anymore.

My best description is that it looks like a Lexus GS re-designed by the English with a Lincoln/Mercury interior (all the silver buttons/switchgear that make it look like a cheap Technics stereo component).

It DRIVES better than virtually every Jag EVER made but to us it's lost its soul.

But the REAL question is, does it matter?

The REAL Jag's were doing and have done NOTHING in the marketplace for years and the new one is selling well.

So common sense would say revolutionary change is in order and maybe an English Lexus isn't such a bad idea after all?

But sometimes common sense can come back to bite you in the you know where.

Has Jaguar made the right move or have they veered to far off the design course that it will effect its heritage forever?
The New Jaguar XF Is The Least Jaguar-ish Car Ever- Is That A Good Or A Bad Thing?



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EL34EL34 - 4/20/2008 10:04:57 PM
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I think the XF looks more like an Aston Martin or a Jaguar XK.

I demand Lexus discontinue lifting design cues from those car companies.

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MadibaPMadibaP - 4/21/2008 3:01:39 AM
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This is an untrue and stupid comment. It looks like an Aston Martin which is no surprise since it was designed by the Aston designer!

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dumpstydumpsty - 4/21/2008 11:58:14 AM
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OK. The XF doesn't have the old-school (old money) look anymore. That's really ok for this historically mistreated brand. They needed the type of evolution that re-invigurated Cadillac and now flowed down to lower-GM brands to bring back profitable excitement.

Jaguar needs to re-establish the brand to be both interesting and reliable....then offer a more luxury-like flagship that would solidify its return to respectability.

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M35MTM35MT - 4/21/2008 12:39:22 PMView My AgentSpace
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997JET - the AMANTI is a Kia. Not a Mazda. If you're thinking Mazda luxury car, that's the once sold Millenia, which, looks nothing like the XF.



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BFABSBFABS - 4/21/2008 11:09:26 PM
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M35MT I can tell you just started looking into cars within the last few years because the guy in the 1st post 997JET (even though wrong about the XF looking Japanese) was right about the LUXURY brand of MAZDA being AMATI. It's european equivalent was actually quite successful in europe until Mazda lost money at home and decided to pull the plug before it's launch in the US.
This is a clip from an article
"In the early 1990s Mazda almost created a luxury marque, Amati, to challenge Acura, Infiniti, and Lexus in North America. In Europe, the equivalent Xedos marque was launched, lasting just a few years. The initial Amati products would have been the Amati 500 (which became the Mazda Millenia), and the Amati 1000 (a new rear wheel drive V12 successor to the Mazda 929). This never happened, leaving the near-luxury Millenia to the Mazda brand".


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ChipChip - 4/20/2008 4:33:29 PM
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I predict an S-type situation. The car will be hot for a year or two, then disappear from the radar. In 2 years, there will be a new E-class, new 5-series & a new A6 that will make the XF seem dated. Jaguar tends to not update their cars very often. Look at how they let the X-type & S-type just fade into oblivion. If this is a different type of Jaguar, then they will need to treat it that way.

Also, I did sit in the car awhile back, and while the electronics are certainly entertaining, I would be terrified of Jaguar reliability. And the cockpit does look and feel pretty cheap for what you're paying.


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urbansouljahurbansouljah - 4/20/2008 4:47:38 PM
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They've been the most reliable European brand for years now and in the top 10 of all makes.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 4/20/2008 5:51:11 PM
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we must be talking about different cars, because ive sat in the XF, and it is at this point and i can say without hesitation best in class. Before one can begin to speak on the poor reliability of a brand include the other cars that you mentioned in that mix as well....the XF is a good car in its class though its not what we are used to seeing from Jaguar(which is the point)the old retro styling it is everything a Jaguar should be and has been in previous years add in competitive, and not a cheap skate interior. In person this car doesnt look like a GS, heck a GS doesnt look like a GS it looks like a mix of other cars in the class, its odd any car that has a round roofline now looks like a Lexus GS??? im confused they didnt even start that roof line on a sedan, and neither has any GS been original so like a lexus GS NO not even close.....but hey some people live blindfolded and by perception alone


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/20/2008 6:03:56 PMView My AgentSpace
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The XF's interior is better than the A6's. It's definitely the nicest in the class.


ChipChip - 4/20/2008 6:27:25 PM
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"The XF's interior is better than the A6's. It's definitely the nicest in the class."

Come on S4, I think if you pondered that statement a little longer, you'd retract it.

The cabin doesn't have the obsessive attention to detail or the fit and finish that the germans do. It's not even close.


AgentXAgentX - 4/20/2008 4:36:43 PM
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Jag did build an unsquare car: the XKE coupe.



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JUGNUJUGNU - 4/20/2008 5:07:59 PMView My AgentSpace
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I don't care too much about heritage and all that. I like stylish and modern new designs. And i totally love new XF's design (and XK). It's very modern and stylish. Nothing old and retro (retro no doubt prevent designers from totally putting their 100% designs as they have to include the inevitable company tradmarks like grilles, profiles, interiors...etc and compromise their work/design.)

BTW it does look a lot like Lexus GS (my second favourite in the category) but they made it more sleeker and sexy. It's my new favourite.

JUGNU

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EL34EL34 - 4/20/2008 5:42:01 PM
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Nah, the Lexus has a lot of bloat like a minivan :-|


DenaliDenali - 4/20/2008 5:14:08 PM
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@jugnu - i agree wth you 100%

and the GS is still my favorite, wait till u drive the 460, what beast

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DenaliDenali - 4/20/2008 5:14:46 PM
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what a beast


tattedtwicetattedtwice - 4/21/2008 4:01:27 AM
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Indeed! 5.5 secs to 60 is ALMOST as fast as its lesser, more fuel efficient v6-powered sisters.
<sarcasm off>


KZ258KZ258 - 4/20/2008 7:21:52 PM
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"This XF looks Asian (Mazda or Lexus, your pick). It ain't lookin' British. I like German cars to look German and Italian ones to look Italian."

so please tell me how the hell does a car design look Asian or german or american? how the hell is it suppose to look like so it can look Asian? what a retarded thing to say

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ghosthunterghosthunter - 4/20/2008 7:44:04 PM
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actually, it is not difficult to say car design look American. 300C, CTS or F150 could easily do that.

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EL34EL34 - 4/20/2008 5:41:13 PM
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The Jaguar XF is one of the sexiest cars on the road.

It has no goofy lines and or bloat :-/

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_43LE_43LE - 4/20/2008 6:34:44 PM
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I see that you are referring to the 5 series again.


EL34EL34 - 4/20/2008 9:57:51 PM
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No, the 5-Series is cut like a body builder.

Lexus always goes the opposite and bloats the body outward.

In fact, you might say they look like whales on wheels :-/


_43LE_43LE - 4/21/2008 9:13:40 AM
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The 5 series is unfortunate travesty, design wise, for BMW. In trying to push the envelope of car design, they ended up with an avant-garde piece of art that only blind followers of BMW would adore or a piece for people that feel like they need to be told what good design is supposed to look like. I guess that you fit both camps.


1995e341995e34 - 4/23/2008 12:32:33 AM
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that Giorgetto Giugiaro is quite a blind follower.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 4/20/2008 6:02:08 PM
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this i have to say from reading past post by this poster, enflamed ones mostly supporting cars im confused as to why the sudden hatred of the XF, it looks more stylish than the cars in its class, high grade interior nice drive, yet support such monstrosities as the FX(which for years have had the worse interior in its class along with other infinitis), and the X6....and even other cars that couldnt hold a candle to this car.....the word real Jaguar doesnt make any sense either. the say way that a Bentley Continental, or Bugatti Veyron are REAL British cars i suppose with their VW group sourced running gear and virtually everything else...OR the way Lamborghini is so Italian. This for lack of a better description sounds like a pity party post. Jaguar are bad cars, styling is bland and way to conservative, cheap interiors, and dont last long, but its not a real Jaguar if its not these things????that doesnt make sense. The XK doesnt look like a Jaguar in fact is pretty conservative compared to the original, interior and outside. Yet its a Real Jag??? But hey anything to keep negative perceptions up about anything......

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RupertRupert - 4/20/2008 6:45:48 PMView My AgentSpace
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Since when were Bugatti ever British???


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 4/20/2008 7:14:38 PM
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the British part was to the Bentley, but my point still remains, Bugatti was a French company, if my memory serves me right, and today is German


RupertRupert - 4/21/2008 8:53:14 AMView My AgentSpace
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Yeah it was just your comment seemed to indicate you thought Bugatti was English.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 4/21/2008 8:59:56 AM
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thanks for finding the typo in my post its good to know i have a human typo finder to do nothing more than read my post to find fault in it. thanks..... i mean seriously


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/20/2008 6:04:57 PMView My AgentSpace
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I disagree with you, 009. To me, front and back, it clearly looks like a cat, very British, very Jaguar. It's the perfect update on the classic theme. Beautiful and stunning, but modern.

I can't wait to test drive this car.

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cdokecdoke - 4/21/2008 1:11:39 PMView My AgentSpace
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There is, indeed a lot of Jaguar in the XF, but the design elements have been modernized. The hood is a combination of the Mark X (probably my favorite Jaguar in terms of materials execution) and that of the XJ. In fact, if anyone has ever driven an XJ, the hood should look very familiar- as it appears that the inner light bungle is tucked under the exterior grille demarcation line. The interior is just a modernization as well, but with some transposed materials. So, the execution is very Jaguar

Jaguar was very modern about 40 years ago- the XJ was markedly different from the other cars at the time in terms of its proportions. I have a feeling that the next XJ will be nothing short of extreme in its proportions. I admit that there are things on the XF that I do not wish to show upon the XJ- the side window form and that particular rear end. I am not as enamored of the rear as some, and want a modernization (and I don't care if it is extreme)of the drooping rear that has been on the XJ for 40 years- and shades of which have made it onto more than one Bentley.

There is something about it which is not all that Jaguarish on the XF and that is its proportions. There was nothing particularly modern Jaguar about the proportions of the S-type either, but because of its retro elements it was recognizable. Jaguars for the past 40 or so years have been long, low, and wide. That is very difficult to execute in a mid-sized sedan- which is why the S-type was based on a design prior to that time. The design language really works better on larger vehicles.



mini22mini22 - 4/20/2008 6:48:29 PM
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The Xf may have an overall shape that harkens to Lexus. However you have to look more closely. When you do it is a lot more muscular with more curves and lines in it. I wish they made the front like the concept car's but the current one is not bad.So far it's modern look appeals to a lot of people based on it's current sales. It is obvious that the old retro style of Jaguars was not working on the XJ,the S type,or the X type.Both the X type and S type have horrible rear leg room in them. I know. I sat in them at an auto show last yr.To me that is the biggest flaw they have. They could not carry back seat passengers comfortably.(I'm 5ft 6 1/2). The new XF does not have the best rear leg room but it is for better then these 2 cars. In addition the dash and center consols on the S type and X type were cheap looking,even if they looked retro. The new XF looks modern and avante guard. It has enough unique features to keep drivers interested. Yes this is a different kind of Jaguar and it's one people are going to continue to buy. In addition with Tata Motors behind it Jaguar will be able to make styling updates a lot quicker then previously.

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KZ258KZ258 - 4/20/2008 7:17:22 PM
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its a very good thing

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amazinBimmeramazinBimmer - 4/20/2008 7:22:23 PM
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makes the 5 series look even better.
this is a calssic "chick car'. good if you are a chich, but subject to ridicule if you are a guy. Probably good for gay guys though (but nothing will drop the audi TT as the most researched car on gayhotwheels.com)



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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/20/2008 9:41:23 PMView My AgentSpace
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Wow, if this is a chick car then I really love chick cars. So manly cars have to be ugly?


MadibaPMadibaP - 4/21/2008 2:55:49 AM
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The 5 is the most revolting car to disgrace the planet right now! It is impossible to imagine a worse styling job and this model serves as proof that anything with a a BMW badge will sell.


tattedtwicetattedtwice - 4/21/2008 3:55:43 AM
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Now, now, let's don't be bitter. No need to hate because the 5 is the benchmark and best-selling in class, outperforming and outselling those boring bubble-shaped jap midsize luxo sedans combined, or because you have to move up to the more expensive, thirstier, and noisier xf-s just to get anywhere near the acceleration you get in a 550.

Really, it's ok; there's a new 5 coming soon with plenty the competition can copy in hopes of at least getting close.

Cheers!


MadibaPMadibaP - 4/22/2008 8:08:46 AM
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Going fast is not what defines a good car, unless of course you were born conceived and in a trailer. In this respect, besides its trailer-park appeal, (of which it carries a massive amount, just like to Jerry Springer show and WWF) the 5 is an unholy abortion of a vehicle lacking any form of style and taste. But hey, it makes a great tow car!


tattedtwicetattedtwice - 4/22/2008 2:51:21 PM
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TTAC must be hiring, cause you sound like you're auditioning for a position as reviewer, with all that bitterness dripping from your posts.

Again, it's understandable, though; I suppose if I had to sit back and watch a car I clearly didn't like keep stomping the competition on the road and the sales chart, it'd hurt my feelings and make me a bitter little one too.


xj13xj13 - 4/20/2008 7:32:50 PM
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I luv this jag but I just can't get my head around the front end??????

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david999david999 - 4/20/2008 7:36:35 PM
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In person, this vehicle is very nice looking
inside and out.

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bmwfan1513bmwfan1513 - 4/20/2008 7:45:51 PM
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It is a very nice car. I have seen the commercial so many times. It is much better than any other Jaguar.

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vman1013vman1013 - 4/20/2008 7:52:44 PM
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Jaguar XF=Ford Mondeo!

Both nice cars. Just couldn't sell me on the Ford at Jaguar prices.

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MattBMattB - 4/20/2008 8:31:48 PM
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Not even close. The X-type was related to the Mondeo, not the XF.


Jagexpert2Jagexpert2 - 4/21/2008 2:59:25 AMView My AgentSpace
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They are completely different size vehicles. The Mondeo has a 112.2 inch wheel base the XF is 114. The mondeo is a compact car the XF a mid size car. The XF has a completely new chassis and body structure using 28 different types of steel including boron. The Xf has the stiffest structure in class. How on any planet that is this car related to a Mondeo you freaking moron?


jeeka715jeeka715 - 4/20/2008 8:40:25 PM
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It's a good thing. Although not nearly as lustful as the prototype (that one was pure sex on wheels), this is a good thing for Jag. I have to agree with the post above, though, there will be newer models coming from the competitors and it runs the risk of being shoved off stage.

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altdudealtdude - 4/20/2008 8:57:28 PM
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Beautiful car in person- and I actually think it does carry over a bit of a Jaguar sensibility from previous models- the sleekness of the XK140 and E-type, and a slight echo of the front of the original XJ seems to be present too. I can't wait to see the new XJ...

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1995e341995e34 - 4/20/2008 9:02:35 PM
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i think its very jaguar-ish. its a sedan with a coupe roofline, and strong sporting intentions.

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no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 4/20/2008 9:48:29 PM
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Its a great thing, and they have the best commerical ever.

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EL34EL34 - 4/20/2008 10:02:43 PM
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Deep Purple - Hush


EL34EL34 - 4/20/2008 10:01:06 PM
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For all of you that keep saying the Jaguar XF looks like a Lexus GS must open your eyeballs and crack open a book on previous Jags and find out where the body style originated from.

Get with the program and give credit to whom it belongs.

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lexusis350lexusis350 - 4/20/2008 11:14:41 PM
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Least Jaguar-ish can be a good or bad thing. In a good way: well, Jaguar isn't really notorious for their excellent reliability, so that could be a plus if the XF is reliable. It could also be a bad thing because I think that Jaguars have a classy/elegant look to them that the XF definitely doesn't have. It looks good, but not like the classic Jaguar.

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realist0000realist0000 - 4/20/2008 11:34:46 PM
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@EL34

The main point to this article is that the "Jaguar XF" looks nothing like all the other traditional Jaguars we are used to. So, why would we need to "crack open a book on previous Jags and find out where the body style originated from."?



"Get Out Of Your Parents Basement" and get a life loser! Make sure you log in to your other Alias to deboost me.

This car has as many "odd bubbles" and "lines" as your face which makes it all the more German.

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EL34EL34 - 4/21/2008 12:11:22 AM
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Whatever, and I boosted you.

Have a nice day :-)


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 4/21/2008 8:58:11 AM
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no the point of this article was to obviously trash Jaguar the XF favors the than revolutionary Jaguar Mark X, which was supposed to do the same thing the XF is doing. The rest of the ignorrance in your post show the fact that you really have no real opinion or insight how childish to result to name calling i suspect your 13.


realist0000realist0000 - 4/21/2008 12:03:26 PM
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OH! My Badd EL34 Also Known As bmwdrvr..Loser!


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 4/22/2008 8:51:22 PM
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loser? my god personal insults over cars, so childish, and beneath me


tattedtwicetattedtwice - 4/21/2008 3:59:33 AM
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The further jag can get away from their past, the better. This is a company that is practically circling the drain, so if this new look is one that gets people in the showroom and cars off the lot, then heck, the 10 or 20 jag fans in the world should be happy.

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farabira1farabira1 - 4/21/2008 8:59:47 AM
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It is good that the new XF does not look Jaguarish, because now it is modern and contemporary.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/21/2008 9:07:03 AMView My AgentSpace
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By the way... Something tells me this isn't the least "Jaguarish" CAR ever.

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1995e341995e34 - 4/22/2008 3:39:14 PM
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GREAT point.


M53RM53R - 4/21/2008 10:10:48 AMView My AgentSpace
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It's a step in the right direction. I HATE classic looking cars, and until recently (XK, XF, old generation XK) all jags looked really ancient and were very unappealing to me. But now Im begining to like them more because they are starting to look stylish and modern.

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ubercoolubercool - 4/21/2008 10:18:07 AM
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The XF is one of the hottest cars out there at the moment. Take one for a spin and you will be amazed by it.
- Handles better than a BMW 5-series,
- faster than a 550i,
- finest interior this side of a Rolls Royce/Bentley
- looks gorgeous in the flesh.
Easily the best in it's class, the future is looking good having seen some of the spy shots of the competition.

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cdokecdoke - 4/21/2008 1:32:19 PMView My AgentSpace
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You are starting to sound a little too like the Lexus/BMW fanatics- your messages have become detached from the actual flow of the conversation.


tattedtwicetattedtwice - 4/22/2008 2:55:39 PM
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He sounds worse. And a bit delusional, too.


mini22mini22 - 4/21/2008 11:38:02 AM
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Thats the point! It's how the car drives and feels inside. Most of you have not seen it in the flesh.It's easy to critisize a car from photos. Another point.True the competitions styling is continually moving.Remeber Tata has a lot of money to continue to refine a develop the XF. In addition Jags future seems to look bright with more new models coming out,including,finally and XKE successor.

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answeranswer - 4/21/2008 2:25:54 PM
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I can see what you mean 001, but I think the XF is Jaguar enough.

The recent years have shown Jaguar needed something different, and XF certainly is.

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ghostriderghostrider - 4/21/2008 8:54:18 PM
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As a former Jag salesman I really wanted to love this car. Jag needed to put the the show car into production, the car that drew people into my office, wanting to put down money on a car they'd seen only in photos. Yes, the XF is selling well now, but all new body styles enjoy a bump in sales. When comparing past sales to current sales, the first question I ask, is, "is this a new body style?" You can't compare those numbers. The XF is nothing new, nothing original, nothing striking. When you're suffering like Jag and you're not the leader in technology, safety or design (and I hate to be cliche) and you have nothing to lose because the company is dead in every way possible, the quickest way to turn that around would be through styling. If you walk into room with the dumbest girl at a party, but she's the prettiest, at a distance no one knows she's dumb, but they all know who's with the prettiest girl in the room. The XF is bloated, it doesn't resemble an Aston, the grille and front is a mess. Yes it has a good starting price and good options. Put the C-XF next to an XF and honestly ask yourself, how much you would more would you pay for that in your driveway.

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M35erM35er - 4/22/2008 11:16:17 PM
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I think it is Jaguar-like, sporty and elegant. I say this with the exception of the front end. They blew it here and I just wonder how they could let that happen? The front end!! From an aesthetic standpoint, probably the most important part of the car. Love the lines and back-end but if they don't fix the front, they could be in trouble fast.

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RipsideRipside - 4/23/2008 7:30:10 PM
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Clearly none of you OWN an XF.

I do. It's my third Jaguar.

I've never had people stop and roll their windows down, to inquire about a car, in the middle of a parking lot - until I bought an XF.

I've never had people walk across a parking lot to get a look at my ride - until I bought an XF.

I've test-driven all of the competition - and the XF blows them all away in almost every aspect. It's a great car, and if you have any doubts, go test-drive one. 30 seconds into my first test drive, I was sold. It's a fabulous car on every level.

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Jagexpert2Jagexpert2 - 4/23/2008 11:46:26 PMView My AgentSpace
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Hi Rip I sell them and own an S TYPE my lease is up in 12 months guess what I'm buying?
Thanks for your comment and business


Jagexpert2Jagexpert2 - 4/23/2008 11:47:25 PMView My AgentSpace
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You can see me at http://www.jaguarnewswire.com
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