The Test You've all been waiting for ZO6, 911 GT3, R8 VS GT-R

don't forget to check out carmagazine latest article, nissan crushes the germans. They had the 911 turbo, R8, and M3 go against the GT-R

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122409

— ptral (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 7:25:27 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Recap for the lazy folks out there,
0-100-0
Z06 14.0
GTR 13.9
(barely edges the ZO6, but then again the GT-R has less HP and weighs more, so its expected)

Bedford west circuit
GT3 1:22.6
GTR 1:21.7

to put that into perspective its sits just behind the enzo

Carrera GT 1.19.7
Maclaren F1 1:21.2
Enzo 1.21.3
superleggera 1:21.8
599 GTB 1:23.1
997 turbo 1:23.55
996 GT3 RS 1:24.2
F430 1:24.2
E92 M3 1:26.6

It beat the R8 on the agility tests

— aston_martin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 7:44:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 11   

This is TRULY the WORLD'S ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE. Not BMW M3s/M5s et al, not the R8, not the Gallardo, foget the Corvette, outa the way Viper-and MOVE OVER-911 Turbo! As for the rest of you $200,000 supercar wannabees - if you cant get GTR- BIG, then GO HOME.
Not just that, but a tremendous history as well- BANNED from Euro circuits between 1994 and 2003 because of its sheer pace. Founding Inspiration of all the GT video games you can think of- a true NINJA wielding a SAMURAI with a matchless EDGE. This is THE ICON of this age. All of you badge blinded fakers- understand (if you can)- and respect this GTR and Nissan for its sheer achievement.

— Lyall (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 8:16:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

This is TRULY the WORLD'S ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE.

Not BMW M3s or M5s, not the R8, not the Gallardo, foget the Corvette, outa the way Viper-and MOVE OVER-911 Turbo!

The rest of you $200,000 supercar wannabees - if you cant get GTR- BIG, then GO HOME.

Not just that, but a tremendous history as well- BANNED from Euro circuits between 1994 and 2003 because of its sheer pace. Founding Inspiration of all the GT video games you can think of. This is a true NINJA wielding a SAMURAI with a matchless EDGE.

And THE ICON of this age. All of you badge blinded fakers- understand (if you can)- and respect this GTR and Nissan for its sheer achievement.

— Lyall (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 8:18:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

We will see. I am skeptical that this car is going to hold together, Nissans track record on simple cars is bad enough. I want to see tests with cars that are not massaged prototypes. In a year we will know if the GT-R is the real deal. We heard alot of hype about the 350Z and it has been a disappointment.

— lyonboy (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 8:51:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7   

The GT-R wins the most fugly car in the past 200 years.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 8:59:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -20   

LEXUS!

— AE86 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 9:26:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -28   

I love the GT-R!

— bmwfan1513 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 9:47:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

Too bad there too many fanboys on this site who can't recognize a good car when they see one. I can understand if you don't like the looks which is fine. But like the article says "respect is due. Big respect. Nissan has built a winner, a new performance icon."
Evo awards the GT-R, R8,GT3 with 5/5 stars and the corvette 4.5/5, so really there all good cars that do the samething in there own way.

— aston_martin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 10:07:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

As for negative comments about the GT-R the only reasons evo could come up with was its thirsty, has small legroom in the back, the badge not being prestigious and not turning heads like a supercar. All of which is a good thing, since the badge will filter out all the car snobs, it'll leave the car to the real enthusiasts who recognize a good car when they see one.

— aston_martin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 10:16:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Must say, the GT-R is really something. While I respect its performance, I would still take a R8 or GT3 over it, but there is no denying its capabilities...

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 10:28:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8   

well looks like EL34 and his buddies have deboosted every neutral and positive comment on this article, there some real losers on this site.

— aston_martin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 10:29:31 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

What's up with all the deboosting in here?

— Willis (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 10:38:31 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

looks like aston_martin little rant on EL34 about going back to stormfront.org really touched a nerve hahaha. Anyways back to the car.

There really no denying now what the GT-R is capable of, and to think it still had its speed limiter from Japan on. Both of these cars were barely broken in before the tests began against press prepped cars. To think, in the UK the GT-R starts at around the same price as the M3, unbelievable.

— ptral (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 10:50:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

This GT-R is very impressive, at least based on these early reports. I'll reserve judgement until the car is available in the States. I hope I'm not too tall to fit in it!

I was never impressed by the looks of this car from the front or rear. However, the view from the sides is rather nice.

— Audiphile (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 11:36:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I bet this will force GM to put "Launch Control" on the next Z06.

Although the Z06 and GT-R were basically dead even.

— carnuts (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2008 11:55:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

The GT-R has actually achieve 0-60 in 3.3s in other auto review. I'm just giving credit where it is due, Great job Nissan!

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 12:07:38 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7   

Great work Nissan! A fantastic car at an excellent price. Another argument for "competition improves the breed". This should send Porshe, Audi and others back to the drawing boards and test tracks! Always hard to catch up though as we have seen in the sports sedan wars (M3 vs ISF vs RS4 etc...) since as the article states Nissan already is working on other variants.

— valhallakey (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 1:00:21 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Meanwhile in real racing...


Porsche 1-2-3 sweep at the 2008 American Le Mans Series opener at Sebring

The top three finishers were all Porsche P2 prototypes, the No. 3 Corvette C6R easily won the GT1 class and Porsche 911 GT3 RSR's took first and second in the GT2 class.

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Porsche wins 12 Hours of Sebring
Associated Press

Updated: March 16, 2008, 2:00 AM EST

Porsche ended a 20-year drought at Sebring International Raceway on Saturday, ending Audi's eight-year overall winning streak with a surprising victory in the Twelve Hours of Sebring.

Driving the Roger Penske-owned Porsche RS Spyder, Romain Dumas of France took the checkered flag 12.9 seconds ahead of the Acura ARX-01B of Adrian Fernandez and Luis Diaz, both of Mexico. However, the second-place Acura was later excluded from the results after failing the stall test during postrace inspection.

That gave Porsche a 1-2-3 sweep of the podium.

Timo Bernard of Germany and Emmanuel Collard of France drove the winning Porsche with Dumas. It was the first overall Sebring for all three drivers.

With Acura's exclusion, second place in the season-opening American Le Mans Series race went to Butch Leitzinger of State College, Pa., who shared a Dyson Racing Porsche RS Spyder with Marino Franchitti of Scotland and Andy Lally of Dacula, Ga. Dyson teammates Guy Smith and Chris Dyson drove the third-place Porsche RS Spyder.

The top three finishing Porsches were P2 prototypes, which are less powerful than the P1 prototypes such as the Audio R10 TDI diesel of Tom Kristensen of Denmark, Allan McNish of Scotland and Rinaldo Capello of Italy that overcame an early penalty and brake problems to finish fourth overall and first in P1 - Audi's ninth straight class victory at Sebring. The top four cars finished on the lead lap.

The last overall Porsche victory at Sebring was in 1988 when Klaus Ludwig and Hans Stuck drove a factory Porsche 962 to victory, the last of 13 straight Porsche wins. Porsche increased its record to 18 overall victories in the 56-year history of the 12 Hours of Sebring.

Penske became the first team owner to win the Daytona 500, Indianapolis 500 and 12 Hours of Sebring.

"Two times last year I was put in the last stint to try to catch the leaders," Dumas said. "This time, I was given a car with the lead and I managed to hold onto it. We're especially proud to give this victory to Roger Penske."

Johnny O'Connell of Flowery Branch, Ga., became the career Sebring victory leader with his seventh win. O'Connell won the overall title in 1994 and Saturday's win was his sixth class victory. He teamed with Ron Fellows of Toronto and Jan Magnussen of Denmark to easily win the GT1 class in their No. 3 Corvette C6R.

The GT2 class victory went to the all-German team of Jorg Bergmeister, Wolf Henzler and Marc Lieb, who finished 13th overall in their Porsche 911 GT3 RSR and three laps ahead of Flying Lizard Motorsports sister car of Darren Law of Phoenix, Seth

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 4:28:22 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

Seth Neiman of San Francisco and Alex Davison of Australia.

The American Le Mans Series race was expected to be a diesel duel between Audi and Peugeot, but all three diesel-powered prototypes were beset with mechanical problems.

Peugeot dominated the first two hours but fell victim to hydraulic problems that dropped the French prototype 25 laps behind the front-running Audi R10 TDI Diesel at the halfway point.

Nicolas Minassian of France grabbed the lead on the first lap and led for 44 laps before pitting. He built a lead of up to 56 seconds aided by a stop-and-go penalty against Capello for avoidable contact with another car that landed Capello and the entire Audi Sport team a two-race probation. Losing the overall lead for only two laps during a flurry of pit stops, Pedro Lamy of Portugal led 40 more laps in the Peugeot 908 that was making its debut in the United States before pitting with a gearbox problem related to a failing hydraulic system that cost the Peugeot 908 team 13 minutes in the pits.

Later, the Peugeot team spent another 48 minutes in the paddock working on the hydraulic system again, and when they finally rejoined the race they were 25 laps behind the Audis. The Peugeot 908 finished 12th overall and fourth in P1, 33 laps behind.

The second Audi R10 of Lucas Luhr, Mike Rockenfeller and Marco Werner, all of Germany, had turbocharger problems and finished seventh overall and second in P1 class.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/7908988/Porsche-wins-12-Hours-of-Sebring?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=167

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 4:30:26 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

As an european, hats off to nissan. For real. This is truly a fantastic car, with its own, distinctive design and recognition.
Sure, its a different league then m3, porsche, but its does what its suppose to do: its fast as hell.

We rarely see japanise car masterpiece, but this, for sure, is one.

— andraz (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 7:32:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

...and then the GTR vSpec will bring everything back to perspective.

— r15mohd (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 9:06:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9   

Its easy to write a biased writeup on these cars. First the GT_R has 60hp and 110 lbft od torque on the R8 so any comments regarding how "easy" it pulled away from the Audi are biased. They can be subjective all they want on the "Feel" of the car but the fact is these cars are not in the same power category.
I may take the GT-R over the Z06 just because of the AWD but its hardly a match in style and prestige as an Audi R8, Porsche 911 or Lambo. The new GT-R is a great car but the design has moved away from its original. Now, it simply looks like an Altima on Steroids.
My choices, from best to worse;
Audi R8
Porsche 911 GT3
Lambo Gallardo
GT-R
Z06

— MeanVulcan (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 9:30:03 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

That was pretty decent but jeez, do the Brits have to take every opportunity to trash the Vette ("flimsy start button" "simple engine")? I know all about tactile feel and all that, but dang, the Vette weighs what, 3,200 pounds? Some parts are going to be flimsy, dude. And I'll bet none of the writers can fix, let alone diagnose, a problem with that "simple" engine.
Off the soapbox. The GT-R appears to be an amazing performance car.

— gooch (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 10:14:14 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The GT-R is back!!!!
Congratulations Nissan! Great job!

— 07G35J (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 11:51:38 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Congrad's Nissan! What a spectacular car the GTR is. The Z06 and GTR both represent the best super car values today. WOW what bargain performance. (if you can get either one at MSRP).

— theoptimisticpessimist (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 1:15:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

This is a pretty damn nice time in the the history of performance cars.

So many nice things to choose from!

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 2:03:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

It will be interesting to see what you'll really be able to buy a GTR for.

— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 3:07:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The only knock I have with the GT-R is how drivers are afraid to blow the drive shaft. Is that a real issue using Launch Control??? I wish someone would do several LC runs and see if the drive shaft will give...hmmm?

Z06 was the nearest competitor for #'s but I still prefer the Porsche for heritage and driving fun!

*Again the GT-R does not reach 3.3 0-60. I have a feeling that Edmunds got a car full of very high octane or something was up....

— Porschinator (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 3:12:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I have the list for the other times on the bedford circuit conducted by evo from previous tests.

Bedford West Circuit Lap Times

1. Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.7
2. McLaren F1 1:21.2
3. Ferrari Enzo 1.21.3
4. Nissan GT-R 1:21.7
5. Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 1:21.8
6. Audi R8 1:22.1
7. Koenigsegg CCX 1:22.3
8. Lotus Exige-S 1:22.4
9. Porsche 997 GT3 1:22.6
10. Ferrari 599 GTB 1:23.1
11. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:23.6
12. Porsche 996 GT3 RS 1:24.2
13. Ferrari F430 1:24.2
14. Corvette ZO6 1:24.5
15. BMW E92 M3 1:26.6

So you guys can see where the R8, GT3, and ZO6 stack up

— aston_martin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 4:11:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

The dyno tests measure horsepower at the wheels so if the GT-R is making 400 plus hp at the wheels, then the engine is most likely making 500 plus. The previous GTR skylines all were underated, so I wouldn't be surprised if the new one was too.

— aston_martin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 7:01:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I think they are all fabulous cars with different characteristics.

— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 5:19:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Doubt it. Most BMW fans are more sensible then that, I being one of them.

— aston_martin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2008 6:59:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Exactly,

M3 is the shit, by far the best in the segment.

BUT, it would get killed by a M3.


See the difference is, the Lex fanboys (MichealTaylor, autopro, GoObama, silver1) are idiots. They said from day 1 the IS-F is a Lexus killer.

I will give you money if you can find a post of a BMW fan saying the M3 will beat a GT-R.

Just because the M3 kills the IS-F by 4.4 seconds, doesn't mean it will beat a GT-R.

— carnuts (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 1:33:13 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I'm a Nissan fan. I love the performance becuase I'm a performance junky, but honestly as far as looks, it's the worst of the bunch. I wasn't too sure about the Audi either, but I saw one the other day...it's hot. Maybe, I'll change my mind when I see it in person. It looks like a Japanese attempt of redesigning an American muscle car.

— snatchandgrab (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2008 10:23:48 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Really to sum up the impression of GTR by EVo magazine, i have taken several of their important quotes. And you can judge for yourself, why there is nothing on Earth like the GTR in the world today. Think about it, if a GTR can win the battle against all these magnificent cars like the 991 GT3, Audi R8, and Z06 and still cost about 65 grand(base price), I am willing to pay even one hundred thousand dollars to get this car, really the reputation of this car has exceeded the masters. So take a look at the following quotes and decide for yourself if GTR is worth your 80 grand value that Nissan has promised to keep in the US: to be frank I think it is a bargain at that price, i am sure in Europe people will be willing to pay around 100 grand for this "new performance Icon"

GTR vs Z06
"The GTR feels every bit as ferocious as the Z06"

0-100-0 KPH
Z06-14 sec
GTR-13.9 sec

GTR vs Audi R8

"For the first time Audi's 4.2 liter V8 feels weedy"

"The DCT gearbox(of GTR) is a key part of the experience"

"There is no millimeter of slack in the GTR leaving you feeling completely connected"

"The R8 is still a fantastic drive and still a car in terms of feedback but it can't match the high tech GTR's on road pace"

GTR vs GT3

"You get addicted to the Nissan's blinding pace"

"There is no shortage of excitement managing the GT3's rear end but the GTR counters with sheer speed"

Final Judgement:

"Respect is due, big respect, Nissan has built a new performance icon"

— farabira1 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/19/2008 10:08:02 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Gallardo SL FTW. Nice.

— Auto_expert (View Profile)

Posted on 3/21/2008 12:17:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1